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FA threatened to kick me off because I had my Kindle on while still at the gate

FA threatened to kick me off because I had my Kindle on while still at the gate

 
Old Nov 25, 13, 9:03 pm
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Was this her?

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Old Nov 25, 13, 10:32 pm
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This thread is getting out of hand...

Can we stop talking about the "hotness" of the F/A?
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Old Nov 25, 13, 10:44 pm
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Yeah, less talk and more pics...

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Old Nov 26, 13, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by TomBrady View Post
First of all, im sure some of this story is exaggerated. I doubt she actually threw the kindle at you.
On what basis can you outright dismiss the possibility of this happening?

Originally Posted by sjpmurph01 View Post
Technically, you are required to comply with an FA's instruction while on the plane.
But, if I recall, this is not absolute every last case instruction having to do with everything, - not saying it wouldn't apply here, and there is argument to make that this is a reasonable request [but on the other hand also room to argue a little unreasonable, as he doesn't need to completely surrender the device to ensure compliance], but reasonably there are some boundaries, are there not?

EDIT: And US Airways is one of the airlines that ALLOWS kindles to be on from gate to gate now, is it not?


Honestly, slight tangent, I think it is sad that it gets to the point where if we are unsure if a FA is right or not that we can't ask without being intimidated, afraid of being met with hostility, or even in some cases met with hostility... and not just FAs, police officers, engineers or conductors on trains, etc. Merely asking for clarification, or if we believe they are wrong and have the relevant company policies with us politely pointing it out should NEVER be met with any degree of hostility or intimidation.

Back on topic: screw it, I'd at least get her reprimanded, disciplined - and if she has a history of this type of behavior, I'd find it hard to care if she got fired from being reported.

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Old Nov 26, 13, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
On what basis can you outright dismiss the possibility of this happening?
Maybe not the possibility but the "every story has three sides" theory says take it with a grain of salt...

To answer your other question, US mainline has an approved gate-to-gate policy, as does PSA and Air Wisconsin according to what I read here. The rest of the Express carriers don't have approval yet as far as I know.

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Old Nov 26, 13, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by VLtone View Post
The mistake has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that she threw his property at him. She can get a job somewhere that doesn't involve customer interaction.
If you believe the OP...but I don't. First action is telling the OP she will get the airport police and then THROWING the Kindle at him and missing?? Really?? And EVERYONE on board a US airline is fully aware - painfully so - of the new FAA rule. One would have to believe the FA was just released from a mental hospital to believe the OP. I suppose that's possible but the odds must be a million to one against it.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 12:23 pm
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An Interpretation From A Million Mile Flier

OK – here is what probably happened.
Allow me to interpret.

I'm confused. I thought electronic gadgets are now permitted from gate to gate, as long as I put it in airplane mode. (This the “Wow, I am pretending to be completely helpless…”)

My flight was still sitting at the gate(door closed) when the FA walked by and saw me reading on my Kindle. She startled me by yelling "you need to turn that off or I will have the airport police escort you off MY plane!"(imagine a mad Mike Tyson's yelling in a woman's voice) (She made three announcements already to switch it to airplane mode and you, being the superstar traveler that you are, didn’t even look up so at least to let her know you heard her. She didn’t threaten you with either the airport police or called it “MY plane.” There would have been 30 people – at least – who would have heard her and 8 of them would have gone live on FT)

Being the obedient gutless chicken, I complied. (What is so gutless about following her instructions) I turned it off(which is technically not possible because I have the special edition Kindle reader). (Wow! You have the “Special Edition Kindle?) She demanded that I hand it over to her to verify that it was off. She threw it back to me and missed. Fortunately, my seatmate caught it just before it landed on the floor. (Because you were being so passive-aggressive with the sighing and eye movements and doing the quick “look around” to make sure everybody saw what was going on, you probably did the passive-aggressive “See….I turned it off…” and she touched it like she cared. You let it go for a second and it fell into your lap.)

Hasn't the ruled changed? Or does it not apply to US Airways? (And, again, closing with the “I am so new at this!....somebody help me!)

As Paul Harvey would say, “Now you know the Re-est! of the story…..”
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Old Nov 26, 13, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by BoeingBoy View Post
Yeah, less talk and more pics...

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^ I enable hot women all the time. I guess it's my only fault.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaxxon View Post
OK – here is what probably happened.
Allow me to interpret.

I'm confused. I thought electronic gadgets are now permitted from gate to gate, as long as I put it in airplane mode. (This the “Wow, I am pretending to be completely helpless…”)

My flight was still sitting at the gate(door closed) when the FA walked by and saw me reading on my Kindle. She startled me by yelling "you need to turn that off or I will have the airport police escort you off MY plane!"(imagine a mad Mike Tyson's yelling in a woman's voice) (She made three announcements already to switch it to airplane mode and you, being the superstar traveler that you are, didn’t even look up so at least to let her know you heard her. She didn’t threaten you with either the airport police or called it “MY plane.” There would have been 30 people – at least – who would have heard her and 8 of them would have gone live on FT)

Being the obedient gutless chicken, I complied. (What is so gutless about following her instructions) I turned it off(which is technically not possible because I have the special edition Kindle reader). (Wow! You have the “Special Edition Kindle?) She demanded that I hand it over to her to verify that it was off. She threw it back to me and missed. Fortunately, my seatmate caught it just before it landed on the floor. (Because you were being so passive-aggressive with the sighing and eye movements and doing the quick “look around” to make sure everybody saw what was going on, you probably did the passive-aggressive “See….I turned it off…” and she touched it like she cared. You let it go for a second and it fell into your lap.)

Hasn't the ruled changed? Or does it not apply to US Airways? (And, again, closing with the “I am so new at this!....somebody help me!)

As Paul Harvey would say, “Now you know the Re-est! of the story…..”


So... basically, your "interpretation," what you take as "the rest of the story," is nothing but nit picking and taking random jabs at the OP, putting words in his mouth, assuming things where you can't reasonably do so. That's swell.




Don't give up your day job. There may be facts missing, but replying this way, IMO, just leaves you looking like a gargantuan imbecile.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
Don't give up your day job. There may be facts missing, but replying this way, IMO, just leaves you looking like a gargantuan imbecile.
Actually, its pretty funny, and probably spot on.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 3:52 pm
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I don't understand why the OP wouldn't just say "I thought electronic gadgets are now permitted from gate to gate, as long as I put it in airplane mode."

Oh wait, they did but they said it here rather than to the FA where it would actually make a difference.

Seems like that would have been the easiest thing to do.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by sjpmurph01 View Post
Technically, you are required to comply with an FA's instruction while on the plane. Even with the new electronic device policies, it ultimately comes down to complying with FA instructions. So you were correct not to get combative with her saying that she was in the wrong.
You only have to comply with instructions pertaining to safety and regulations. If she told me to punch you in the face I could legally refuse. However, in this case, she may have thought she was demanding the OP comply with a regulation.

Capt. Jim can clarify the validity of my claim.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Michael El View Post
You only have to comply with instructions pertaining to safety and regulations.
FAR 121.571
This briefing shall include a statement that the Federal Aviation Regulations require passenger compliance with the lighted passenger information signs, posted placards, areas designated for safety purposes as no smoking areas, and crewmember instructions with regard to these items.
But, her telling you to punch him in the face would be much funnier.
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Old Nov 26, 13, 5:20 pm
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I'm not trying to take the FA's side on this, because if there's even an ounce of truth to the story as the OP tells it, her alleged behavior is inexcusable.

But...

10. Always follow crew instructions and immediately turn off your device if asked.
http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releas...m?newsId=15254

I don't know if US' specific electronics policy that they would have had to recently update with the FAA is available online, but I can just about guarantee that there is something in there to the effect of 'unless otherwise instructed by a crew member to power off electronic devices.'

Again, I think in this case the FA was most likely wrong, misinformed, or having an off day. However, there could have been some other reason that they wanted devices off on that particular flight. And just to play devil's advocate, let's say that the OP unintentionally ignored multiple announcements to power off devices despite the recent FAA changes. The FA would not have been out of line to reiterate that instruction more directly to the OP.

My point - you cannot ignore the fact that you are still required to follow crew member instructions...

Originally Posted by Michael El View Post
...If she told me to punch you in the face I could legally refuse...
...within logical human reason.

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Old Nov 26, 13, 10:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
So... basically, your "interpretation," what you take as "the rest of the story," is nothing but nit picking and taking random jabs at the OP, putting words in his mouth, assuming things where you can't reasonably do so. That's swell.




Don't give up your day job. There may be facts missing, but replying this way, IMO, just leaves you looking like a gargantuan imbecile.
I think he hit it spot on.


Can we go back to discussing the looks of FA though? This thread is getting off topic.
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