View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
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Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
#2581
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2001
Location: LAX; AA EXP, MM; HH Gold
Posts: 31,789
The first Flagship Lounge was at DFW, the largest hub (and, by my prediction, will only get larger). The DFW FL closed after September 11, 2001, and never reopened. So did the MIA FL, but it reopened. And then closed again. Rumour has it that a new Flagship Lounge is under construction in MIA.
DFW has lots of international flights, including flights with 3-class F (London, South America, Tokyo, etc). It's getting PVG and HKG this summer. But 3-class F is going to be downsized substantially with its removal from the 772s (unless Parker over-rules that and retains 8F on the 772s like the 77Ws, which is very unlikely). With no FL at DFW, 3-class F disappearing except from the 20 77Ws, I don't think the odds are very good that PHL ever sees a Flagship Lounge. But if Parker proves me wrong, I'll be happy.
As to the shared club: I don't know why, but AA and BA don't seem to share as many clubs as I would have thought. I would have thought that a big benefit of the joint venture would have been co-located clubs wherever possible, but it's as if they want to retain the separate clubs in case there's a divorce.
When a company merges with another, all liabilities of both continue uninterrupted. When one company buys assets and assumes some liabilities, you're at risk. Should have bet on the winning horse and bought a lifetime Admirals Club membership.
#2582
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5
Hi all: I'd like to hear your thoughts on my strategy for an upcoming (early February) trip from Phoenix to Madagascar. I'm currently CP on US Air and will be next year too. My plan is to take British Airways between Phoenix and Johannesburg because it is just one stop (Heathrow) and the business class price isn't bad. So I would get an AA card and credit the BA flights to that. From Johannesburg I would take South African to Madagascar and get the Star Alliance (i.e. US Air) credit. I am betting on being able to combine my US and AA miles at some point in the next year. Think that's a safe bet? Thanks in advance for the feedback!
#2583
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,945
Dumb Q maybe, but do shares of AAMRQ and LCC convert to whatever the new ticker is tomorrow?
#2584
Moderator: American AAdvantage, Travel Safety/Security & Texas, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: AUS / GRK
Programs: AA, HHonors, Hertz
Posts: 13,467
I read somewhere that current US stock will be converted to new American stock (AAL), but I don't remember and can't easily find the conversion rate.
Speaking of stocks, I found this story:
http://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/...20131206-00359
Doug Parker, chairman and CEO, US Airways, and incoming CEO of the new American Airlines; and the employees of the new American, will help ring The NASDAQ Stock Market Opening Bell remotely from Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport in celebration of the completed merger of AMR Corporation and US Airways Group, Inc. and the listing of the common stock of the combined company on the NASDAQ Stock Market.
#2585
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2001
Location: LAX; AA EXP, MM; HH Gold
Posts: 31,789
The conversion for holders of LCC is 1:1, so tomorrow, each share of LCC will be converted into one share of new AA. Existing AAMRQ is a much more complicated issue.
#2586
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: DCA
Posts: 120
If unified earn and burn is coming January 7th, does that mean that I might be able to use AA miles to book a *A award for mid-year? I've been eyeing the US 90k J to North Asia for a long time, but only have 165k on US while I have 200k on AA - I need 180 for my brother and myself. Even applying for a credit card the miles probably wouldn't post before 1/7.
#2587
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NYC
Programs: DL PM; UA 1K; AA 1MM
Posts: 4,486
If unified earn and burn is coming January 7th, does that mean that I might be able to use AA miles to book a *A award for mid-year? I've been eyeing the US 90k J to North Asia for a long time, but only have 165k on US while I have 200k on AA - I need 180 for my brother and myself. Even applying for a credit card the miles probably wouldn't post before 1/7.
#2588
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
Probably not is my guess. I suspect that the unified get/use miles will only apply to US and AA metal flights since US will be in *A till the end of February. When US joins OW in April, you'll be able to book OW flights. Hopefully by then you can use miles from either account and maybe even transfer miles between accounts. Of course, I could be wrong.
Jim
Jim
#2590
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: BOS
Programs: Marriott LTG, HHonors Diamond, Nat'l Exec
Posts: 3,580
I would love to see them enable transfer of miles between accounts ASAP. That was one of the things that worked well for DL/NW.
#2591
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NYC
Programs: DL PM; UA 1K; AA 1MM
Posts: 4,486
No official word yet, but some interviews suggest OW membership will start around March 31/April 1. If that occurs, it is possible that Avios earning and redemption may also launch at that time (but this is highly speculative at this point)
#2593
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Phoenix/Columbus
Programs: Delta Silver Medallion, United Gold, US Airways silver
Posts: 1,716
PHL-LHR is already part of the BA/AA joint venture, so it's not just reasonable potential, it's an absolute certainty that the US flights will be a part of it. Only question is how soon that happens.
Yes, that would be nice, but I think there is a zero chance that happens. And not just because I don't think that Parker would spend the money to add a Flagship Lounge to PHL. I don't think Horton's AA (had AA remained independent and then taken over US) would have added a Flagship Lounge at PHL. Why not?
The first Flagship Lounge was at DFW, the largest hub (and, by my prediction, will only get larger). The DFW FL closed after September 11, 2001, and never reopened. So did the MIA FL, but it reopened. And then closed again. Rumour has it that a new Flagship Lounge is under construction in MIA.
DFW has lots of international flights, including flights with 3-class F (London, South America, Tokyo, etc). It's getting PVG and HKG this summer. But 3-class F is going to be downsized substantially with its removal from the 772s (unless Parker over-rules that and retains 8F on the 772s like the 77Ws, which is very unlikely). With no FL at DFW, 3-class F disappearing except from the 20 77Ws, I don't think the odds are very good that PHL ever sees a Flagship Lounge. But if Parker proves me wrong, I'll be happy.
As to the shared club: I don't know why, but AA and BA don't seem to share as many clubs as I would have thought. I would have thought that a big benefit of the joint venture would have been co-located clubs wherever possible, but it's as if they want to retain the separate clubs in case there's a divorce.
That's because there was no merger of AA and TWA. As serfty correctly noted, AA bought most of the assets and assumed just the liabilities that it wanted to assume, and lifetime club memberships weren't on the "want to assume" list.
When a company merges with another, all liabilities of both continue uninterrupted. When one company buys assets and assumes some liabilities, you're at risk. Should have bet on the winning horse and bought a lifetime Admirals Club membership.
Yes, that would be nice, but I think there is a zero chance that happens. And not just because I don't think that Parker would spend the money to add a Flagship Lounge to PHL. I don't think Horton's AA (had AA remained independent and then taken over US) would have added a Flagship Lounge at PHL. Why not?
The first Flagship Lounge was at DFW, the largest hub (and, by my prediction, will only get larger). The DFW FL closed after September 11, 2001, and never reopened. So did the MIA FL, but it reopened. And then closed again. Rumour has it that a new Flagship Lounge is under construction in MIA.
DFW has lots of international flights, including flights with 3-class F (London, South America, Tokyo, etc). It's getting PVG and HKG this summer. But 3-class F is going to be downsized substantially with its removal from the 772s (unless Parker over-rules that and retains 8F on the 772s like the 77Ws, which is very unlikely). With no FL at DFW, 3-class F disappearing except from the 20 77Ws, I don't think the odds are very good that PHL ever sees a Flagship Lounge. But if Parker proves me wrong, I'll be happy.
As to the shared club: I don't know why, but AA and BA don't seem to share as many clubs as I would have thought. I would have thought that a big benefit of the joint venture would have been co-located clubs wherever possible, but it's as if they want to retain the separate clubs in case there's a divorce.
That's because there was no merger of AA and TWA. As serfty correctly noted, AA bought most of the assets and assumed just the liabilities that it wanted to assume, and lifetime club memberships weren't on the "want to assume" list.
When a company merges with another, all liabilities of both continue uninterrupted. When one company buys assets and assumes some liabilities, you're at risk. Should have bet on the winning horse and bought a lifetime Admirals Club membership.
#2595
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 139
It's a done deal!
American Airlines Merges with US Airways, Forms Largest Airline in the World
American Airlines Merges with US Airways, Forms Largest Airline in the World
American Airlines, the number three player in the U.S. aviation market, merged Monday morning with number five US Airways. The combined company, which will operate under the American Airlines Group name, will have more than 6,700 daily flights to 336 locations in 56 countries across the globe. It will employ over 24,500 flight attendants and 12.500 pilots.
Earlier this morning, representatives from the two airlines met in the Dallas offices of Weil, Gotshal & Manges, signed the documents merging the two companies, and created the world’s largest airline.
Doug Parker, the incoming CEO of the new American, joined by employees of the airline, will remotely ring the opening bell for the Nasdaq stock market opening bell from Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport in celebration of the merger and the listing of the combined airline’s common stock on the Nasdaq….
Earlier this morning, representatives from the two airlines met in the Dallas offices of Weil, Gotshal & Manges, signed the documents merging the two companies, and created the world’s largest airline.
Doug Parker, the incoming CEO of the new American, joined by employees of the airline, will remotely ring the opening bell for the Nasdaq stock market opening bell from Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport in celebration of the merger and the listing of the combined airline’s common stock on the Nasdaq….