View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
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Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
#556
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Kirby reiterating the Parker JFK-PHL relationship:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...mportance.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...mportance.html
#557
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I have some travel on pmAA and CX coming up this summer, going to do a PLT challenge as well (if those are still around come July...) I may as well register - if I have more AA/OW travel come up this year it might get me at least to the bottom level and a few extra e-500's.
#558
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I think the other thing to consider which can't be overstated is that AA hubs in markets with more premium demand (ORD/LAX/NYC in particular come to mind) - the product needs to reflect the higher level of paid demand (vs. the "upgrade class") that US offers - particularly on shorter hops.
#559
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Or at least that's my guess...
#560
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I for one am hoping that e-500s are retained in the new FFP.
#561
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Agree with Thunderroad.
Registration is required for the same reason that companies still require that you clip a coupon from Sunday's paper or circle the price on your receipt and cut out the UPC code to mail in for a product rebate. A classic example of price discrimination.
I'm just glad that registration is as easy as clicking a button on the website and that AA doesn't require us to circle things on our boarding passes and then mail them to a drop box in MN by a certain date.
Registration is required for the same reason that companies still require that you clip a coupon from Sunday's paper or circle the price on your receipt and cut out the UPC code to mail in for a product rebate. A classic example of price discrimination.
I'm just glad that registration is as easy as clicking a button on the website and that AA doesn't require us to circle things on our boarding passes and then mail them to a drop box in MN by a certain date.
#562
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Maybe, maybe not. Although I suspect that Parker & Co. did approve AA's yesterday's announcement of major new elite bennies including bonus 500-mi coupons. Not so sure they are going to rush into a change that will cost them $50-$60 million a year in (lost 500 miles) revenue. And that's just the direct revenue loss. If they do cut service and go UDU, there's a whole group of pax, who have come to expect premium service, that may not be as loyal to AA if they try serving the same garbage I get on UA or DL.
Ditto. Better to be able to prioritize one's upgrades.
#563
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Austin,TX (AUS)
Programs: AA, UA
Posts: 767
I hope Parker keeps AA's Main Cabin Extra seats and extends it to the US aircraft.
#564
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The fact of the matter an airline is better off selling $139 one way transcon seats to Joe Blow from Kayak as opposed to a college student who's decided to use their spare cash and extra time to get top elite status and to milk it for every possible benefit (upgrades, etc.) by routing all their trips TPA-ORD-DFW-JFK-LAX-SFO-SEA- you don't have to give an upgrade or perk to Joe Blow.
#565
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
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Posts: 9,171
This just in...
American, US Airways Reveal Plans For Stitching Airlines Together
Soon after the merger closes, he said, the goal is to allow passengers to book flights on both carriers on a single itinerary and combine some operations in Fort Worth, which means bringing some employees from US Airways’ current headquarters in Tempe, Ariz. Within six months, the two hope to start moving their planes around, matching the size of the plane with the demand on a route. They also want to let passengers earn and redeem miles on the other carrier’s frequent-flier plan, and harmonize some product offerings such as food and beverages on board and align some passenger processing procedures, Mr. Isom said.
Jim
American, US Airways Reveal Plans For Stitching Airlines Together
Soon after the merger closes, he said, the goal is to allow passengers to book flights on both carriers on a single itinerary and combine some operations in Fort Worth, which means bringing some employees from US Airways’ current headquarters in Tempe, Ariz. Within six months, the two hope to start moving their planes around, matching the size of the plane with the demand on a route. They also want to let passengers earn and redeem miles on the other carrier’s frequent-flier plan, and harmonize some product offerings such as food and beverages on board and align some passenger processing procedures, Mr. Isom said.
Jim
#566
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US Airways and American have said they intend to move US Airways to American’s system because American is the larger airline and that will minimize the amount of training required to familiarize US Airways’ fewer employees with a new system.
I think US learned from the last time they merged systems, saw that SHARES can't handle a large airline load (just look at UA - SHARES is fine for the size of a CO or US, but not a combined UA/CO). They're making the right decision sticking with AA's Sabre.
Soon after the merger closes, he said, the goal is to allow passengers to book flights on both carriers on a single itinerary and combine some operations in Fort Worth, which means bringing some employees from US Airways’ current headquarters in Tempe, Ariz. Within six months, the two hope to start moving their planes around, matching the size of the plane with the demand on a route. They also want to let passengers earn and redeem miles on the other carrier’s frequent-flier plan, and harmonize some product offerings such as food and beverages on board and align some passenger processing procedures, Mr. Isom said.
If it's the latter, I see it getting really messy for pax that have combined carrier itineraries.
#567
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Location: Downers Grove, IL
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If only UA/CO had learned this lesson and stuck with Apollo instead of migrating to SHARES.
I think US learned from the last time they merged systems, saw that SHARES can't handle a large airline load (just look at UA - SHARES is fine for the size of a CO or US, but not a combined UA/CO). They're making the right decision sticking with AA's Sabre.
I think US learned from the last time they merged systems, saw that SHARES can't handle a large airline load (just look at UA - SHARES is fine for the size of a CO or US, but not a combined UA/CO). They're making the right decision sticking with AA's Sabre.
Kirby reiterating the Parker JFK-PHL relationship:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...mportance.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...mportance.html
#568
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I think the other thing to consider which can't be overstated is that AA hubs in markets with more premium demand (ORD/LAX/NYC in particular come to mind) - the product needs to reflect the higher level of paid demand (vs. the "upgrade class") that US offers - particularly on shorter hops.
#569
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Plat, MR AMB + (LTT) , Hertz PC, UA Silver, HH Gold
Posts: 265
#570
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I'm curious as to your reasoning. UA has maintained E+ for 13+ years now and even Idiot Smisek decided to extend it to CO planes. That prompted DL to join the extra-legroom club and that caused AA to finally reverse course once again and introduce MCE. Part of the problem with AA management the past 10 years was the short-man Arpey's short-sighted decision to remove MRTC instead of copying UA's E+, which can be sold.
UA has claimed for years that E+ pays for itself via upsells to the masses. Even if it doesn't, it's a low-cost method of making tall elites less angry when their upgrade fails to clear.
And so now, having taken over AA, which will be the biggest airline in the world, Parker will go it alone with no extra-legroom seating? That flies in the face of common sense, as that would hand UA and DL a lot of business. Parker is going to need all the high revenue customers he can find so that he can afford the giant raises he's giving to all the legacy US pilots and FAs, in addition to the small raises he's giving the legacy AA employees.
Anything is possible, but Parker and his minions have repeated over and over the past two months that they won't make the same mistakes again or duplicate the mistakes that have plagued other mergers.
So why, exactly, would he not keep MCE and/or extend it to the US fleet? I expect US to begin converting its planes in short order in advance of the finalization of the merger. It takes mechanics merely an overnight to remove a row and re-adjust the others.
UA has claimed for years that E+ pays for itself via upsells to the masses. Even if it doesn't, it's a low-cost method of making tall elites less angry when their upgrade fails to clear.
And so now, having taken over AA, which will be the biggest airline in the world, Parker will go it alone with no extra-legroom seating? That flies in the face of common sense, as that would hand UA and DL a lot of business. Parker is going to need all the high revenue customers he can find so that he can afford the giant raises he's giving to all the legacy US pilots and FAs, in addition to the small raises he's giving the legacy AA employees.
Anything is possible, but Parker and his minions have repeated over and over the past two months that they won't make the same mistakes again or duplicate the mistakes that have plagued other mergers.
So why, exactly, would he not keep MCE and/or extend it to the US fleet? I expect US to begin converting its planes in short order in advance of the finalization of the merger. It takes mechanics merely an overnight to remove a row and re-adjust the others.