View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
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Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
#1531
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
Why would US leave *A anyway? I thought the merger move to OW was mostly to stay consistent with what the larger airline was already doing. That and the fact that UA probably would have pushed back on the merged US/AA staying in *A - there's no domestic pressure by joining OW as AA was the only domestic in it. US as a standalone fits pretty well in *A.
#1532
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Usually in SAN or Central Europe.
Programs: AA:EXP/1MM. Accor/Radisson:Silver; HH:Gold; ICH:Plt Amb.
Posts: 22,307
Why would US leave *A anyway? I thought the merger move to OW was mostly to stay consistent with what the larger airline was already doing. That and the fact that UA probably would have pushed back on the merged US/AA staying in *A - there's no domestic pressure by joining OW as AA was the only domestic in it. US as a standalone fits pretty well in *A.
#1533
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
US as a stand alone carrier fits pretty well in OW as well. Remember that US joined Star a decade ago. Before the UA/CO merger. That void in the NE that US filled, is now eclipsed by the pmCO presence out of EWR. AA is still weak on the east coast compared to UA and DL. US in OW fills in that gap. And don't forget that at the time of the UA/CO merger, questions were raised as to whether or not US was going to stay in Star because its relevance in the alliance had been diminished somewhat.
#1534
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 273
The $3b AT&T paid to T-mobile was to cover any potential collateral damage to T-mobile's brand name; both parties spun it so that t-mobile's finances, business plan, customer base, network, etc were as weak and unfavorable as possible, and that t-mobile wouldn't survive on their own. The $3b was to be a huge cash infusion to keep investors and customers from fleeing if the merger didn't go through. Who wouldn't pull their investment in a company after seeing pages and pages of affidavits that the company was sure to go bust if they didn't tie up with the competition?
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the benefits of a honeymoon... no kids, or even a marriage!
#1535
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Miami BCH., FLorida
Programs: AA:EXP, GLD:A.Argen., Etihad; Turk SIL:UA, VS; HOT.GLD:ClubC, Loews, SPG; PL:Ritz, Hil, IHG, BtW., R
Posts: 261
AA is a good airline and their exec. plat. used to be very good (I hear it still is excellent), I had problems on UA so they lost my business a long time ago, althoght recently I have had better luck with them that AA (I have AA status but when I was booking the award seats I booked to HA in March I am all set with UA, AA has not confirmed anything yet...except 1 out of a party of 4.
#1536
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Miami BCH., FLorida
Programs: AA:EXP, GLD:A.Argen., Etihad; Turk SIL:UA, VS; HOT.GLD:ClubC, Loews, SPG; PL:Ritz, Hil, IHG, BtW., R
Posts: 261
why would US leave * alliance
Why would US leave *A anyway? I thought the merger move to OW was mostly to stay consistent with what the larger airline was already doing. That and the fact that UA probably would have pushed back on the merged US/AA staying in *A - there's no domestic pressure by joining OW as AA was the only domestic in it. US as a standalone fits pretty well in *A.
#1537
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,433
if the merger does not go through, will AA refuse to sponsor US's entry into OW? What incentive does AA have for inviting US?
I don't know why AA's team of attorneys didn't demand $2 billion if the merger cannot be consummated. (like what AT&T had to pay when the merger with T-Mobile couldn't go through)
I don't know why AA's team of attorneys didn't demand $2 billion if the merger cannot be consummated. (like what AT&T had to pay when the merger with T-Mobile couldn't go through)
#1538
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Programs: AAdvantage Exec Platinum, Hertz #1 Club Gold Five Star, IHG Platinum, Marriott Gold, HHonors Silver
Posts: 2,038
You do realize the merger at this point is on hold pending the US DoJ's litigation against it. And most people who follow these types of cases have said once the DoJ does this, it's pretty much death for a merger.
#1539
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
More like paying alimony without the wedding or honeymoon because you told everyone that your almost-partner was a complete and undesirable mess that couldn't support themselves and that you would be doing the world a favor by marrying them out of pity. The crux of both AT&T's and t-mobile's arguments were that t-mobile would fail anyway. If I were the t-mobile CEO I wouldn't want my potential merger partner going on the public record with that assessment of me if I didn't have some insurance. All these company financials and business models can be positioned in ways that make the same numbers look great or downright scary; before the DOJ stepped in, both AT&T and t-mobile knew that their best chances were tied to making t-mobile look like a loser (which to me says they knew they were in a shaky position with the merger plans all along). T-mobile didn't want to risk being labelled as a loser with nothing to help them stay afloat if the merger didn't go through, and probably wouldn't have tried to merge if this insurance clause wasn't in the picture.
#1540
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 33
It all depends on the judge.
None of the arguments put forth by DOJ are any more true of the US Air/American merger than any of the the others that have successfully merged. The fact is that relatively small airlines don't last long when competing against giants. There are few markets that would be affected by the merger--two I believe. DOJ objections are mostly BS. Read them if you don't believe it. Zero factual data, lots of hot air.
#1541
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
Programs: AA 2MM LT PLT; AS MVP Gold75k; HHonors Diamond; IHG PLT
Posts: 3,502
At one time, BA and HP had a codeshare arrangement, latter offering domestic connections for the former's TATL flights. Should US join OW, BA would again be able to offer connections out of CLT, DCA, PHL and PHX.
In my specific case, AS is increasing service out of my home SAN, offering nonstops to several Hawaiian islands, Mexican resorts, BOS and MCO, we have had little difficulty booking AA, BA awards (latter is another subject) on AS.
So inviting US into OW extends AA's network, offers many other benefits.
#1542
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
I've got no idea who will win if they go to court, although if it appears one side is likely to win the other will be prompted to negotiate a settlement in exchange for concessions. They're dealing degrees, where one or two airports can make a difference in the outcome.
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#1543
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 273
I've got no idea who will win if they go to court, although if it appears one side is likely to win the other will be prompted to negotiate a settlement in exchange for concessions. They're dealing degrees, where one or two airports can make a difference in the outcome.
Jim
Jim
about the AA/US merger! The court will have to take that into consideration.
#1544
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
A judge can take whatever he/she wants into account, although they should so generally do stay within any established legal precedent.
Jim
Jim
#1545
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
The feelings of the frequent flyers will probably take a back seat to the potential impact to the average consumer. Potentially higher fares will affect a family living on a middle-class income a lot more than a multi-billion-dollar corporation who wants its salespeople out in the field. The dollar amount may be higher to the corporation but the average consumer has smaller pockets and will feel it less. The DOJ probably doesn't much care if AA's lifetime program is more rewarding or who has better access to partner award space (which is what a lot of the elites have been using as the basis for their opinions).