US Envoy Suite vs LX Bus Class (PIT-LYS)

 
Old Mar 12, 12, 9:36 pm
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US Envoy Suite vs LX Bus Class (PIT-LYS)

Envoy suite is, by some, the "best transatlantic" business class seat. LX's new J class is regarded as possibly the best service across the pond and a pretty comfortable flat seat. Which would you choose and why?

About the same price ($2800 on US, $3100 on LX). Same duration. Same number of connections. Layovers are comparable. Not wild about 6:00 AM flight out of LYS on US, which is becoming the deciding factor.

I like US Envoy suite. I like LX service. Sleep is important. Service second. Lounges are important. Food is fourth. Irreg ops with US out of PHL may have more options.

Not sure which to choose. Here are the details:

US $2858
17:20-18:53 PIT-CLT in F on B734
18:53-20:30 (01:37) in CLT
20:30-11:05 CLT-FRA in Z on A332
11:05-12:30 (01:25) in FRA
12:30-13:45 FRA-LYS in Z on B735

06:00-07:40 LYS-FRA in Z on 733
07:40-09:20 (01:40) in FRA
09:20-13:05 FRA-CLT in Z on A333
13:05-14:50 (01:45) in CLT
14:50-16:14 CLT-PIT in F on 734


LX $3135
15:48-16:30 PIT-ORD in F on UA
16:30-19:15 (2:45) in ORD
19:15-10:50 ORD-ZRH in Z on LX
10:50-13:00 (2:10) in ZRH
13:00-14:00 ZRH-LYS on LX

10:40-11:50 LYS-ZRH in Y on LX
11:50-12:55 (1:05) in ZRH
12:55-15:40 ZRH-ORD in Z on A333
15:40-19:35 (3:55) in ORD
19:35-21:59 ORD-PIT in F on 738
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Old Mar 12, 12, 10:51 pm
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As of right now, LH Biz Class seat are SLANTED vs. US Air which are true lie flats...
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Old Mar 13, 12, 4:26 am
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I would opt for LX. Sleep quality is probably equal, however you will have much better service on LX and a much smoother connection (better lounges) in ZRH than in FRA.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 4:35 am
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Can you go on US and come back on LX ?

Going over, the flatbed on US is a big deal because you need a real sleep.

Coming back, it's not a red-eye, so absence of flatbed makes far less difference. Also, that 6am departure would be a deal-breaker for me -- that makes it a bad night's sleep going into the whole affair.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 5:29 am
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Originally Posted by PittDoc View Post
...Which would you choose and why?
Slight edge to US roundtrip TATL in this instance because
1) "Sleep is important. Service second" in your priority list;
2) CLT is a breeze through Immig/Customs;
3 $300 savings still buys a decent meal over there

Yeah, I'm not wild about the 6am departure on the return either, but neither is the nearly 4-hour layover in ORD with the other choice.

I'm aware that the A333 on the US return may or may not feature the Envoy Suites (still a few of the old config planes out there), but it's a daylight flight and doesn't bother me much.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 7:44 am
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I would go with LX. I've been in both the Envoy Suite and LX's new business class. Both seats are great with US's Suite being a little bit better IMO. That said, get a single seat on LX and enjoy their better service and connecting lounges. ^
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Old Mar 13, 12, 9:15 am
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It's like they are paying you $300 to avoid ORD, as they should
For that reason alone, I'd choose the CLT connection.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 10:56 am
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I happen to think that US is a little more spacious as well, besides comfort...(if you can live without the nice service...)
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Old Mar 13, 12, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by PittDoc View Post
..... Irreg ops with US out of PHL may have more options.

Not sure which to choose. Here are the details:

US $2858
17:20-18:53 PIT-CLT in F on B734
18:53-20:30 (01:37) in CLT
20:30-11:05 CLT-FRA in Z on A332
11:05-12:30 (01:25) in FRA
12:30-13:45 FRA-LYS in Z on B735

06:00-07:40 LYS-FRA in Z on 733
07:40-09:20 (01:40) in FRA
09:20-13:05 FRA-CLT in Z on A333
13:05-14:50 (01:45) in CLT
14:50-16:14 CLT-PIT in F on 734


LX $3135
15:48-16:30 PIT-ORD in F on UA
16:30-19:15 (2:45) in ORD
19:15-10:50 ORD-ZRH in Z on LX
10:50-13:00 (2:10) in ZRH
13:00-14:00 ZRH-LYS on LX

10:40-11:50 LYS-ZRH in Y on LX
11:50-12:55 (1:05) in ZRH
12:55-15:40 ZRH-ORD in Z on A333
15:40-19:35 (3:55) in ORD
19:35-21:59 ORD-PIT in F on 738
You're concerned about potential Irreg ops with US out of PHL and yet are considering ORD? Come on, your PIT flag is waving. Depending on dates, PHL-FRA can provide 3 options, 2 on US and a backup with LH - in both directions. I always feel it's supportive to use the services available in my home city/state, when possible. For example, if I were say making a trip to France to promote Pennsylvania business overseas and attract foreign investment, it would seem a bit contrary to that purpose to use a non-PA gateway.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 2:33 pm
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I'd go US over and LX back for the schedules alone. If that isn't permitted, I'd go LX for the whole thing...zero percent chance I'd book a 6AM departure Europe-U.S. unless I absolutely had to.

The only real drawback to the LX schedule is that four hours in ORD. Doesn't United have a 5PM-ish ORD-PIT flight? I wonder if you're barely missing the minimum connection time on a flight....if so, I might be tempted to ask my corporate travel agent to try to fix that problem. But that's just me...I know others here would say never to do that.
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways View Post
As of right now, LH Biz Class seat are SLANTED vs. US Air which are true lie flats...
Originally Posted by Biggie Fries View Post
Can you go on US and come back on LX ?

Going over, the flatbed on US is a big deal because you need a real sleep.

Coming back, it's not a red-eye, so absence of flatbed makes far less difference. Also, that 6am departure would be a deal-breaker for me -- that makes it a bad night's sleep going into the whole affair.
He's talking about LX (Swiss), which has a true lie-flat seat similar to US, not LH (Lufthansa), which has the angled-flat.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 3:26 pm
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Miles don't seem to be in the equation here, but I don't think you get the 75% bonus with LX that you would get with US (on LH you do get the bonus, so you might since LX is owned by LH, but I am pretty sure that you don't).
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I have been in the CX seat, which I understand is the same as the new US Envoy Suite and the LX seat. All other things being relatively equal, I would easily choose the US Suite over LX. It simply has a more spacious feel to it than the LX seat. To me, it is one of the best business seats available; if they had UA's new C padding, there would be no contest.

I have not yet flown US Envoy, so I can comment on the service or food. I find LX service and food to be quite good, but not extraordinary by any means. I have to admit that I am almost always underwhelmed when I try carriers whose service/food/etc. is so much better than (insert name of carrier here.)

To me the trade off is the 6 AM return departure vs. several hour layover at ORD. For $300 savings, I would be inclined to take US.
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Old Mar 13, 12, 8:55 pm
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It sounds like you have already almost made up your mind! You just want to go to sleep and not having to start the journey too early! Then now it may be become just a matter of cost, right?

For me, I would go out of my way to fly Internationals on a non-US carrier, purely for the consistent and high quality services, which I consider highly in the overall enjoyment experiences. Yes, I was on US Airways metals purely because they were complimentary... In a similar vein, sure, the Envoy Suites may be up in the high-end league for TransAtlantic. On the other hand, it cannot be compared with the like of CX or OZ Business on Pacific routes; one needs to try out the Quadra Smartium and the unmatched services offerred!
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Old Mar 18, 12, 2:46 pm
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Question Really???

Originally Posted by kudzu View Post

2) CLT is a breeze through Immig/Customs;
I have a transcon coming up in June & was going to avoid CLT BECAUSE they don't have Global Entry. But you're even without it, Immig/Customs is a "Breeze!
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