Volcanic Ash Closes UK and other Northern European Airspace
Apr 17, 2010, 2:15 am
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I am on LHR-PHL on Thursday on way to TalkBoard/Mods Meeting - and the US Travel waiver applies up to Tuesday at present. Not looking good.
Apr 17, 2010, 3:20 am
#32
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Hi fellow FTers !
I'm based in FRA. As you all know FRA is temporarily closed as any other airport within Germany. No reliable info on how long the closure will last but at least until 04/18/2010 - 08:00 pm. *TO BE EXTENDED FOR UP TO 72 MORE HOURS ! So this might be also the time frame for any US flight to / from Germany.
For everybody planning going to / via German airspace, they just showed a forecast on German TV. This is the first time something link this happened, since Eurocontrol was founded, so they have no real data to make any reliable predication. Also I would like to recommend not only to think about how to get home asap, but also bearing in mind your safety. Have a look at this post, found by tomh009 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-volcanic.html
If you are in need of a "cheap" hotel in FRA, or any suggestion what to do meanwhile, or look for alternative travel suggestions feel free to PM me. I'll do my very best to help you out. The airport is already crowded with 1000s of people sleeping on cots. No fun place to spend several hours / days or days.
I'm based in FRA. As you all know FRA is temporarily closed as any other airport within Germany. No reliable info on how long the closure will last but at least until 04/18/2010 - 08:00 pm. *TO BE EXTENDED FOR UP TO 72 MORE HOURS ! So this might be also the time frame for any US flight to / from Germany.
For everybody planning going to / via German airspace, they just showed a forecast on German TV. This is the first time something link this happened, since Eurocontrol was founded, so they have no real data to make any reliable predication. Also I would like to recommend not only to think about how to get home asap, but also bearing in mind your safety. Have a look at this post, found by tomh009 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-volcanic.html
If you are in need of a "cheap" hotel in FRA, or any suggestion what to do meanwhile, or look for alternative travel suggestions feel free to PM me. I'll do my very best to help you out. The airport is already crowded with 1000s of people sleeping on cots. No fun place to spend several hours / days or days.
Last edited by servus; Apr 18, 2010 at 1:32 am Reason: *update
Apr 17, 2010, 4:02 am
#33
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Imagine how this would have been without modern communications. I hate to think. Yes, it could be worse (could be raining)
Apr 17, 2010, 8:52 am
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Here's the list of closed airspace updated at 1430z. I haven't mentioned it before, but it's probably pretty obvious that airports within this airspace are also closed.
EB Belgium 17-1800 UTC
EDGG Langen 18-0600 UTC
EDWW Bremen 18-0000 UTC
EDMM Munich 18-0000 UTC
EE Estonia 18-0000 UTC
EF Finland 18-0000 UTC
EG UK 18-0000 UTC
EH Netherlands 17-1800 UTC
EI Ireland 18-1200 UTC
EK Danmark 18-0000 UTC
EN BODO South 18-0000 UTC
EN OS 17-2200 UTC
EN SV 17-2200 UTC
EP Poland 17-1800 UTC
ES Sweden 18-0000 UTC
LD Croatia 18-0000 UTC
LE Pamplona 18-0000 UTC
LFBB France 17-2359 UTC
LFEE France 17-1800 UTC
LFFF France 17-1800 UTC
LFMM France 17-1800 UTC
LFRR France 17-1800 UTC
LH Hungary 17-1800 UTC
LIMM Milan 17-1800 UTC
LIPP Padova + LIRQ 17-1800 UTC
LJ Slovenia 18-0000 UTC
LK Chech Republic 18-0000 UTC
LO Austria 17-1800 UTC
LR Romania 17-2100 UTC
LS Swiss 17-1800 UTC
LYBA Serbia 18-0000 UTC
LZ Bratislava 18-0000 UTC
UK Ukraine 17-1500 UTC
UKVB 17-1800 UTC
UKDV ACC 17-1800 UTC
UKLV ACC 17-1800 UTC
Here is a link to a map of the ash cloud area
Jim
EB Belgium 17-1800 UTC
EDGG Langen 18-0600 UTC
EDWW Bremen 18-0000 UTC
EDMM Munich 18-0000 UTC
EE Estonia 18-0000 UTC
EF Finland 18-0000 UTC
EG UK 18-0000 UTC
EH Netherlands 17-1800 UTC
EI Ireland 18-1200 UTC
EK Danmark 18-0000 UTC
EN BODO South 18-0000 UTC
EN OS 17-2200 UTC
EN SV 17-2200 UTC
EP Poland 17-1800 UTC
ES Sweden 18-0000 UTC
LD Croatia 18-0000 UTC
LE Pamplona 18-0000 UTC
LFBB France 17-2359 UTC
LFEE France 17-1800 UTC
LFFF France 17-1800 UTC
LFMM France 17-1800 UTC
LFRR France 17-1800 UTC
LH Hungary 17-1800 UTC
LIMM Milan 17-1800 UTC
LIPP Padova + LIRQ 17-1800 UTC
LJ Slovenia 18-0000 UTC
LK Chech Republic 18-0000 UTC
LO Austria 17-1800 UTC
LR Romania 17-2100 UTC
LS Swiss 17-1800 UTC
LYBA Serbia 18-0000 UTC
LZ Bratislava 18-0000 UTC
UK Ukraine 17-1500 UTC
UKVB 17-1800 UTC
UKDV ACC 17-1800 UTC
UKLV ACC 17-1800 UTC
Here is a link to a map of the ash cloud area
Jim
Apr 17, 2010, 10:38 am
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All of the Clt to Europe flts. cxld. today. At least it appears US didn't wait until the last minute
Apr 17, 2010, 11:09 am
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Well crap!! I am suppose to work Charlotte-Paris tomorrow (Sunday) and the volcano is erupting again. AND I had a 52 hour layover. So far the stuck crews have had a 120 hour layover.
Apr 17, 2010, 11:15 am
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Apr 17, 2010, 12:05 pm
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For anyone departing from European airports, these regulations apply. Has anyone had any experience yet with what US is doing to accommodate pax and what they allow for?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R0261:EN:HTML
According to the website, US says:
US Airways has relaxed ticketing policies for the impacted cities listed above. US Airways will allow one itinerary change without penalty for customers with travel to, from or through the cities listed above during the specified date range. See our revised ticketing policy below for rules and restrictions. Call 800-428-4322 for more information.
US Airways will waive the advance purchase and standard change fee.
You can move your entire itinerary up to fourteen days before or after the scheduled origination date (subject to original booking class availability).
You can apply the full value of your wholly unused tickets toward the purchase of a ticket to an alternate destination, although travel must originate within seven days of the scheduled origination date. Changes to origin and destination may result in an increase in fare. Any difference in fare between your new ticket and the original ticket will be collected at the time of booking.
Also, if your flight is cancelled due to the incident you can get a refund of your booking according to US.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R0261:EN:HTML
According to the website, US says:
US Airways has relaxed ticketing policies for the impacted cities listed above. US Airways will allow one itinerary change without penalty for customers with travel to, from or through the cities listed above during the specified date range. See our revised ticketing policy below for rules and restrictions. Call 800-428-4322 for more information.
US Airways will waive the advance purchase and standard change fee.
You can move your entire itinerary up to fourteen days before or after the scheduled origination date (subject to original booking class availability).
You can apply the full value of your wholly unused tickets toward the purchase of a ticket to an alternate destination, although travel must originate within seven days of the scheduled origination date. Changes to origin and destination may result in an increase in fare. Any difference in fare between your new ticket and the original ticket will be collected at the time of booking.
Also, if your flight is cancelled due to the incident you can get a refund of your booking according to US.
Last edited by plon; Apr 17, 2010 at 1:17 pm Reason: Updated info
Apr 17, 2010, 12:12 pm
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What is US' policy for rebooking on partner airlines on alternate routes for irrops?
We're scheduled to fly DCA-PHL-MAN on Friday, returning Mon 26th and I'm not optimistic but not giving up yet either. We booked just to get the double EQM promo and used my CP upgrade certs roundtrip. Since airspace in Scotland and Ireland is beginning to open, I was curious as to what the options would be if we were to ask to go on a partner to Dublin or Belfast (couldn't find any DUB flights on US, maybe it's seasonal?).
In these circumstances, would US put us on a partner to an alternate destination? If so, would they book us in J or Y (we are currently in J fare class; I hadn't known that's what the CP certs book into)?
I know IF airspace is open, availability is going to be mighty scarce. Just wanted to know how closely I need to monitor the travel alerts and KVS etc. If they'd never rebook us onto a partner in this circumstance, or if it's likely to be Y, then I'd rather just take chances on the flight or let them cancel it outright and use the credit later.
Also anyone ever been on a flight that they've upgraded on CP certs and the flight was cancelled? Are they pretty quick about returning the certs to your account?
Thanks!
We're scheduled to fly DCA-PHL-MAN on Friday, returning Mon 26th and I'm not optimistic but not giving up yet either. We booked just to get the double EQM promo and used my CP upgrade certs roundtrip. Since airspace in Scotland and Ireland is beginning to open, I was curious as to what the options would be if we were to ask to go on a partner to Dublin or Belfast (couldn't find any DUB flights on US, maybe it's seasonal?).
In these circumstances, would US put us on a partner to an alternate destination? If so, would they book us in J or Y (we are currently in J fare class; I hadn't known that's what the CP certs book into)?
I know IF airspace is open, availability is going to be mighty scarce. Just wanted to know how closely I need to monitor the travel alerts and KVS etc. If they'd never rebook us onto a partner in this circumstance, or if it's likely to be Y, then I'd rather just take chances on the flight or let them cancel it outright and use the credit later.
Also anyone ever been on a flight that they've upgraded on CP certs and the flight was cancelled? Are they pretty quick about returning the certs to your account?
Thanks!
Apr 17, 2010, 1:06 pm
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Apr 17, 2010, 1:56 pm
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If you mean the green, red, and blue lines they're the extent of the ash cloud at different altitudes, which is given by the notations. Red is from the surface to 10,ooo', green is 10,000' to 20,000', and blue is 20,000' to 35,000'.
Jim
Edit to add: Except for the first (top left) the maps are forecasts.
Jim
Edit to add: Except for the first (top left) the maps are forecasts.
Last edited by BoeingBoy; Apr 17, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Apr 17, 2010, 2:19 pm
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If you mean the green, red, and blue lines they're the extent of the ash cloud at different altitudes, which is given by the notations. Red is from the surface to 10,ooo', green is 10,000' to 20,000', and blue is 20,000' to 35,000'.
Jim
Edit to add: Except for the first (top left) the maps are forecasts.
Jim
Edit to add: Except for the first (top left) the maps are forecasts.
Apr 17, 2010, 2:42 pm
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Travel Advisory has been extended to the 22nd.
Apr 17, 2010, 3:56 pm
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Oh no. we have to call airlines tomorrow if I can extended to stay in Switzerland for a few days if I can hear anything more news from EU Airports to be reopened the business.
