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Old Jul 26, 2011, 8:28 pm
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Anyone else see the bigger picture here? By doing this deal, US is able to divest itself of the largest overlap with AA... Does this position US as a better bride for AA?
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Old Jul 26, 2011, 10:24 pm
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Originally Posted by tolkiennut
Anyone else see the bigger picture here? By doing this deal, US is able to divest itself of the largest overlap with AA... Does this position US as a better bride for AA?
Doubt it. Route overlap is only one of the many obstacles to such a tie-up, and many believe the other obstacles are harder. Like each carrier's labor issues.
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Old Jul 27, 2011, 7:19 am
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Originally Posted by dcpatti
Doubt it. Route overlap is only one of the many obstacles to such a tie-up, and many believe the other obstacles are harder. Like each carrier's labor issues.
I know US hasn't had the best history with labor issues as evidenced by US West and US East, but if it was instead the target rather than the pursant, don't you think there stands a chance? Especially in a marketplace where you have DL/NW, WN/FL, CO/UN... that leaves US and less so AA at a bigger disadvantage route wise... I would think US's presence in the Mid-Atlantic, SE, and SW would serve very attractive for an AA.
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Old Jul 27, 2011, 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by tolkiennut
I know US hasn't had the best history with labor issues as evidenced by US West and US East, but if it was instead the target rather than the pursant, don't you think there stands a chance? Especially in a marketplace where you have DL/NW, WN/FL, CO/UN... that leaves US and less so AA at a bigger disadvantage route wise... I would think US's presence in the Mid-Atlantic, SE, and SW would serve very attractive for an AA.
In my opinion, US would need to buy AA for any shot at this working. AA management seems unwilling to make tough decisions when they need to, US mgmt will - however unpopular the changes are.

Also, AA has a cost problem since they never went through bankruptcy.

Just two of the issues...
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Old Jul 27, 2011, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by PWMFlyer19
In my opinion, US would need to buy AA for any shot at this working. AA management seems unwilling to make tough decisions when they need to, US mgmt will - however unpopular the changes are.

Also, AA has a cost problem since they never went through bankruptcy.

Just two of the issues...
Plus with the recent large orders for aircraft and the problems turning a profit (partly due to the higher fuel demands of the MD's) it would be hard for AA to have/raise the capital to take over US.
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Old Oct 12, 2011, 8:48 am
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Slot Swap Finally Happens

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

Very good news ^
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The DOJ is still investigating the DCA portion of the deal and could still throw a monkey wrench into it.

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Old Oct 12, 2011, 12:11 pm
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Not so fast:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79B02M20111012
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Old Oct 12, 2011, 12:30 pm
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Justice Department Statement on US Airways/Delta Airlines Acquisition of Slots at Washington's Reagan National and New York's Laguardia Airports
Department Continues to Investigate Slot Acquisition at National Airport and Will Not Continue its Investigation at LaGuardia Airport

WASHINGTON – The Department of Justice issued the following statement today after the Department of Transportation (DOT) issued its order involving US Airways’ and Delta Airlines’ acquisition of slots at Washington’s Ronald Reagan National Airport and New York’s LaGuardia Airport:

“The Antitrust Division has been conducting an investigation of US Airways’ acquisition of Delta Airlines’ slots at Washington’s Ronald Reagan National Airport to determine the transaction’s impact on competition and traveling consumers. The division will continue its investigation with a focus on the increase in US Airways’ share and use of slots at Reagan National and the resulting decrease in Delta’s share of slots at this slot-constrained airport, at which passengers pay among the highest fares in the country. The division will not continue to investigate the acquisition of slots at New York’s LaGuardia Airport because the division has concluded that acquisition does not raise competitive concerns.

“While the Antitrust Division works closely with DOT on airline issues, the two agencies act under substantially different statutory and regulatory frameworks. The role of the Antitrust Division is to protect competition and to ensure that companies do not raise prices to harm consumers in violation of the antitrust laws. Under the antitrust laws, the division can and will take appropriate action, if warranted, at the conclusion of its investigation.”
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Old Oct 13, 2011, 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by BoeingBoy
The DOJ is still investigating the DCA portion of the deal and could still throw a monkey wrench into it.

Jim
What an inspired prediction...
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Old Oct 13, 2011, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
What an inspired prediction...
As a response to "Slot Swap Finally Happens" it was good to be informed that this wasn't the 100% done deal as stated.
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Old Oct 13, 2011, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
What an inspired prediction...
How about this instead...

For PVDtoDEL, it's a done deal and you can book the new flights starting Monday, 17 Oct 2005.

For everyone else, the DOJ is still investigating the DCA portion of the swap.

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Old Nov 23, 2011, 3:30 pm
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FAA is currently announcing the results of the DCA and LGA slot bidding/auctions. WestJet is said to have announced that they've won "some" slots at LGA while B6 is rumored (but not confirmed) to have won slots at both. Curious to see the official announcement.
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Old Dec 2, 2011, 12:28 pm
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It's official, B6 & WS:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jet...?siteid=yhoof2


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Old Dec 2, 2011, 1:15 pm
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JetBlue Airways Corp. is paying $40 million for eight slot pairs at Reagan and $32 million for eight pairs at LaGuardia, the Transportation Department said. Canadian discounter WestJet announced on Nov. 23 that it will pay $17.6 million for eight slots at LaGuardia.

The airlines have not yet said where planes using the new slots will fly to or from.

The Transportation Department said JetBlue outbid WestJet for the other LaGuardia slots, but it said bidding rules prevented one carrier from winning all three auctions.

Other bidders were Allegiant Air, Frontier Airlines, Sun Country Airlines, Southwest Airlines Co. and Spirit Airlines Inc. Allegiant is a unit of Allegiant Travel Co., and Frontier is run by Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
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