The US/DL LGA slot swap [Master Thread]
May 31, 2011, 10:46 am
#166
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Customs, US doesn't have A318's, the A318 doesn't have the range, UA would throw a fit, etc.
May 31, 2011, 11:15 am
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Customs
US doesn't have A318's
the A318 doesn't have the range
UA would throw a fit, etc.
May 31, 2011, 1:11 pm
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I did not know that about SNN and JFK-LCY. Interesting.
If you go to Airbus' website, they have a cool little map that shows the range of their planes from any given point. The A318 barely has the range of DCA-LCY so I imagine in practice it just coudn't do it on a regular basis. Do the flights have to stop in SNN both ways? SNN is more within the range (though still pusing it).
Though UA can't really do anything about it, I've read multiple articles noting that they have the most to lose from more DCA perimiter exceptions.
I did not know that about SNN and JFK-LCY. Interesting.
If you go to Airbus' website, they have a cool little map that shows the range of their planes from any given point. The A318 barely has the range of DCA-LCY so I imagine in practice it just coudn't do it on a regular basis. Do the flights have to stop in SNN both ways? SNN is more within the range (though still pusing it).
Though UA can't really do anything about it, I've read multiple articles noting that they have the most to lose from more DCA perimiter exceptions.
May 31, 2011, 1:12 pm
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May 31, 2011, 2:35 pm
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What product would US use in the A318? I don't think they could fit enough Envoy Suites to make it profitable. BA uses a 2x2 cabin layout with a very nice hard product.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...y/public/en_gb
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...y/public/en_gb
May 31, 2011, 9:12 pm
#171
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What product would US use in the A318? I don't think they could fit enough Envoy Suites to make it profitable. BA uses a 2x2 cabin layout with a very nice hard product.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...y/public/en_gb
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...y/public/en_gb
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YFDy5j0P3d...400/BA001B.jpg
Now as to range, the range is close. My question for the pilots would relate to the max range for an A318 in an executive configuration - noting that baggage will be minimal to non-existent and that with 32 C class seats, there is not going to be a lot of weight in seats or in passengers.
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the weight savings/range that one would expect with, say, 50 bags, 32 C class seats and 32 passengers? Obviously full fuel is required (perhaps added fuel in a bladder).
Jun 1, 2011, 4:44 pm
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Remember US drove off all of their FFers? Remember how they have the worst rep in the US?
They could never make this work, the bigger UA or DL might (but will not try) but not US...
Jun 1, 2011, 7:23 pm
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a specialized route like this (or LH's services to NYC from small airports or SQs all J flights) needs a big group of frequent fliers to buy the tickets and a reputation for good service to pick us passengers willing to take it for the service and pay top $....
Remember US drove off all of their FFers? Remember how they have the worst rep in the US?
They could never make this work, the bigger UA or DL might (but will not try) but not US...
Remember US drove off all of their FFers? Remember how they have the worst rep in the US?
They could never make this work, the bigger UA or DL might (but will not try) but not US...
I don't think it will happen. But it's nice to dream. And that new J product really is aces.
Jun 20, 2011, 5:58 pm
#174
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What is the latest on the swap, is the deal going to happen or nto?
Jun 20, 2011, 8:57 pm
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JetBlue pushed for the slots at LGA to be auctioned off. Let's see what the DOT says.
Jul 21, 2011, 2:02 pm
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The DOT just approved the revised slot deal proposed by US and DL. In theory, the DOJ could still say no, but that's very improbable. So it looks like US is going to grow at DCA, and DL is going to expand at LGA.
Jul 21, 2011, 5:59 pm
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Yup. Details below:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....984&highlight=
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and US Airways (NYSE: LCC) today issued the following statement:
"Delta Air Lines and US Airways welcome the decision by the Department of Transportation to tentatively approve the proposed slot transaction at New York-LaGuardia and Washington-Reagan National airports. Upon final approval we intend to move forward with the plan, as conditioned by the department, which will enhance competition and allow the airlines to improve service, consumer choice, modernize facilities and create jobs at both airports."
On May 23, Delta and US Airways announced a new agreement to transfer takeoff and landing rights at New York's LaGuardia and Washington D.C.'s Reagan National airports, which will enable Delta and US Airways to expand service and increase competition at two of the nation's key cities, and provide the opportunity for additional access to LaGuardia and Reagan National for new entrants and airlines with a limited presence at the airports.
Under the agreement, Delta would acquire 132 slot pairs at LaGuardia from US Airways and US Airways would acquire from Delta 42 slot pairs at Reagan National and the rights to operate additional daily service to Sao Paulo, Brazil in 2015, and Delta would pay US Airways $66.5 million in cash. In addition, the airlines will divest 16 slot pairs at LaGuardia and eight slot pairs at Reagan National to airlines with limited or no service at those airports. The completion of the transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including government and regulatory approvals. A slot pair is the authority to operate one takeoff and one landing.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....984&highlight=
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and US Airways (NYSE: LCC) today issued the following statement:
"Delta Air Lines and US Airways welcome the decision by the Department of Transportation to tentatively approve the proposed slot transaction at New York-LaGuardia and Washington-Reagan National airports. Upon final approval we intend to move forward with the plan, as conditioned by the department, which will enhance competition and allow the airlines to improve service, consumer choice, modernize facilities and create jobs at both airports."
On May 23, Delta and US Airways announced a new agreement to transfer takeoff and landing rights at New York's LaGuardia and Washington D.C.'s Reagan National airports, which will enable Delta and US Airways to expand service and increase competition at two of the nation's key cities, and provide the opportunity for additional access to LaGuardia and Reagan National for new entrants and airlines with a limited presence at the airports.
Under the agreement, Delta would acquire 132 slot pairs at LaGuardia from US Airways and US Airways would acquire from Delta 42 slot pairs at Reagan National and the rights to operate additional daily service to Sao Paulo, Brazil in 2015, and Delta would pay US Airways $66.5 million in cash. In addition, the airlines will divest 16 slot pairs at LaGuardia and eight slot pairs at Reagan National to airlines with limited or no service at those airports. The completion of the transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including government and regulatory approvals. A slot pair is the authority to operate one takeoff and one landing.
Jul 21, 2011, 7:04 pm
#178
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Let's start back up the speculation as to the Death of US LGA routes and the birth of DCA routes.
I'll go first.
MDT-LGA - Dead - I loved that flight
I'll go first.
MDT-LGA - Dead - I loved that flight
Yup. Details below:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....984&highlight=
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and US Airways (NYSE: LCC) today issued the following statement:
"Delta Air Lines and US Airways welcome the decision by the Department of Transportation to tentatively approve the proposed slot transaction at New York-LaGuardia and Washington-Reagan National airports. Upon final approval we intend to move forward with the plan, as conditioned by the department, which will enhance competition and allow the airlines to improve service, consumer choice, modernize facilities and create jobs at both airports."
On May 23, Delta and US Airways announced a new agreement to transfer takeoff and landing rights at New York's LaGuardia and Washington D.C.'s Reagan National airports, which will enable Delta and US Airways to expand service and increase competition at two of the nation's key cities, and provide the opportunity for additional access to LaGuardia and Reagan National for new entrants and airlines with a limited presence at the airports.
Under the agreement, Delta would acquire 132 slot pairs at LaGuardia from US Airways and US Airways would acquire from Delta 42 slot pairs at Reagan National and the rights to operate additional daily service to Sao Paulo, Brazil in 2015, and Delta would pay US Airways $66.5 million in cash. In addition, the airlines will divest 16 slot pairs at LaGuardia and eight slot pairs at Reagan National to airlines with limited or no service at those airports. The completion of the transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including government and regulatory approvals. A slot pair is the authority to operate one takeoff and one landing.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....984&highlight=
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and US Airways (NYSE: LCC) today issued the following statement:
"Delta Air Lines and US Airways welcome the decision by the Department of Transportation to tentatively approve the proposed slot transaction at New York-LaGuardia and Washington-Reagan National airports. Upon final approval we intend to move forward with the plan, as conditioned by the department, which will enhance competition and allow the airlines to improve service, consumer choice, modernize facilities and create jobs at both airports."
On May 23, Delta and US Airways announced a new agreement to transfer takeoff and landing rights at New York's LaGuardia and Washington D.C.'s Reagan National airports, which will enable Delta and US Airways to expand service and increase competition at two of the nation's key cities, and provide the opportunity for additional access to LaGuardia and Reagan National for new entrants and airlines with a limited presence at the airports.
Under the agreement, Delta would acquire 132 slot pairs at LaGuardia from US Airways and US Airways would acquire from Delta 42 slot pairs at Reagan National and the rights to operate additional daily service to Sao Paulo, Brazil in 2015, and Delta would pay US Airways $66.5 million in cash. In addition, the airlines will divest 16 slot pairs at LaGuardia and eight slot pairs at Reagan National to airlines with limited or no service at those airports. The completion of the transaction is subject to certain closing conditions, including government and regulatory approvals. A slot pair is the authority to operate one takeoff and one landing.
Jul 21, 2011, 7:16 pm
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These are the routes they originally said they would serve from DCA:
Cincinnati, Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Madison, Montreal, Ottawa, Miami, Birminham, Islip, Ithaca, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Savannah, Tallahassee.
Jul 21, 2011, 7:20 pm
#180
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US/DL slot swap at DCA finallly !
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...125979068.html
Great news for us at DCA...
We'll move to the south pier, next to CO
We'll ditch the moribund RCC at the center pier for the historic PC in the south pier
We'll get new *A destinations via US (like ISP!)
These are changes I like!
Great news for us at DCA...
We'll move to the south pier, next to CO
We'll ditch the moribund RCC at the center pier for the historic PC in the south pier
We'll get new *A destinations via US (like ISP!)
These are changes I like!