The US/DL LGA slot swap [Master Thread]
#151
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ORF
Programs: AA Explat, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Platnium
Posts: 98
Demoralized
No more nonstop from LGA to ORF. Given the manifold flight delays out of LGA, I am not sure that I am willing to risk the time and expense of getting stuck down the road trying to make connections home.
No more LGA to PVD or GSO. I used that service a fair amount on multi-stop trips over the years. Without those segments, there goes CP.
Once again for the stupid among us, other that trying to raise fares out of DCA, why is this good for USAir?
No more LGA to PVD or GSO. I used that service a fair amount on multi-stop trips over the years. Without those segments, there goes CP.
Once again for the stupid among us, other that trying to raise fares out of DCA, why is this good for USAir?
#152
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: DCA/IAD
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#153
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
Jim
#154
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: Amtrak S+, Kimpton IC
Posts: 298
So that means we had:
2 pilots
1 FA
2 FA's in transit
3 pax (and I was the only one for which LGA was my final destination)
That's a 2:1 US Air to pax ratio!!!
#155
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: High Point, NC
Programs: None
Posts: 9,171
I think on some of the routes in/out of LGA US is just babysitting the slots. After a certain amount of time passes without a slot being used it can be taken back and reallocated.
Jim
Jim
#156
Join Date: Jun 2010
Programs: AA EXP, Hilton Honors Gold, National Executive Elite
Posts: 406
In today's era of big government and bailouts, having the washington croud flyong their planes and collecting their miles is probably a very good move.
#157
Join Date: Jun 2010
Programs: AA EXP, Hilton Honors Gold, National Executive Elite
Posts: 406
In today's era of big government and bailouts, having the washington croud flying their planes and collecting their miles is probably a very good move.
#158
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin, TX USA
Posts: 1,063
At LGA, it may be different. Under the previous plan, both AirTran and WN were eligible because each had less than 5% of the available slots. But if the total of AirTran's & WN's slots combined are more than 5%, then WN might not be eligible for any more LGA slots.
On a fun note: shall we speculate on the 15 new routes? I'm guessing at least some of them will be into cities where currently there is service from LGA but not from DCA. Makes sense to try to keep whatever customers you already have.
My picks:
[SNIP]
AUS: it's growing again, and nobody has a daily nonstop from DCA; best you can do is twice daily from IAD on UA, which is usually one of the most expensive flights around
My picks:
[SNIP]
AUS: it's growing again, and nobody has a daily nonstop from DCA; best you can do is twice daily from IAD on UA, which is usually one of the most expensive flights around
#159
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: PWM, BOS
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Plat, Accor Plat+++
Posts: 850
Cincinnati, Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Madison, Montreal, Ottawa, Miami, Birminham, Islip, Ithaca, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Savannah, Tallahassee.
I assume most of those would stay unless they get some perimeter exceptions.
And giving proper credit:
http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/13/de...-and-ny-slots/
Cheers.
#160
Join Date: May 2004
Location: DCA ZWU
Programs: AGR WOH
Posts: 1,785
Looks like US will cut 31 destinations ex-LGA, with which other airports US flies to nonstop from there (lists per Wikipedia and June US timetable):
Albany - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Asheville (NC) - CLT PHL
Baltimore - CLT PHL PHX
Bangor - PHL DCA
Buffalo - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Burlington (VT) - PHL DCA
Charleston (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Charlottesville - CLT PHL
Columbia (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Columbus (OH) - CLT PHL PHX DCA
Dayton - CLT PHL DCA
Greensboro - CLT PHL DCA
Greenville/Spartanburg (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Harrisburg - BOS CLT PHL
Hartford - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Ithaca - PHL
Lexington (KY) - CLT
Louisville - CLT PHL DCA
Manchester (NH) - CLT PHL DCA
Martha's Vineyard - DCA
Nantucket - DCA
Norfolk - CLT PHL DCA
Portland (ME) - CLT PHL DCA
Providence - CLT PHL DCA
Raleigh/Durham - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Richmond - BOS CLT PHL
Roanoke - CLT PHL
Rochester (NY) - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Syracuse - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Washington-Dulles - CLT
Wilmington (NC) - CLT PHL DCA
Compared to the 2009 proposal, only ITH (from which I think US receives subsidies) would have gained new service ex-DCA. Of the remaining nine cities without existing US flights from DCA, only AVL and LEX are not within 100 miles of DCA. They also are not served by UA ex-IAD.
Of the 15 new cities circa 2009:
- five are state/national capitals
- five are within big metros
- three are Southern coastal resorts (one with a giant military installation), and
- Grand Rapids is the outlier.
Albany - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Asheville (NC) - CLT PHL
Baltimore - CLT PHL PHX
Bangor - PHL DCA
Buffalo - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Burlington (VT) - PHL DCA
Charleston (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Charlottesville - CLT PHL
Columbia (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Columbus (OH) - CLT PHL PHX DCA
Dayton - CLT PHL DCA
Greensboro - CLT PHL DCA
Greenville/Spartanburg (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Harrisburg - BOS CLT PHL
Hartford - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Ithaca - PHL
Lexington (KY) - CLT
Louisville - CLT PHL DCA
Manchester (NH) - CLT PHL DCA
Martha's Vineyard - DCA
Nantucket - DCA
Norfolk - CLT PHL DCA
Portland (ME) - CLT PHL DCA
Providence - CLT PHL DCA
Raleigh/Durham - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Richmond - BOS CLT PHL
Roanoke - CLT PHL
Rochester (NY) - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Syracuse - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Washington-Dulles - CLT
Wilmington (NC) - CLT PHL DCA
Compared to the 2009 proposal, only ITH (from which I think US receives subsidies) would have gained new service ex-DCA. Of the remaining nine cities without existing US flights from DCA, only AVL and LEX are not within 100 miles of DCA. They also are not served by UA ex-IAD.
Of the 15 new cities circa 2009:
- five are state/national capitals
- five are within big metros
- three are Southern coastal resorts (one with a giant military installation), and
- Grand Rapids is the outlier.
#161
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: Amtrak S+, Kimpton IC
Posts: 298
Looks like US will cut 31 destinations ex-LGA, with which other airports US flies to nonstop from there (lists per Wikipedia and June US timetable):
Albany - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Asheville (NC) - CLT PHL
Baltimore - CLT PHL PHX
Bangor - PHL DCA
Buffalo - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Burlington (VT) - PHL DCA
Charleston (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Charlottesville - CLT PHL
Columbia (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Columbus (OH) - CLT PHL PHX DCA
Dayton - CLT PHL DCA
Greensboro - CLT PHL DCA
Greenville/Spartanburg (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Harrisburg - BOS CLT PHL
Hartford - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Ithaca - PHL
Lexington (KY) - CLT
Louisville - CLT PHL DCA
Manchester (NH) - CLT PHL DCA
Martha's Vineyard - DCA
Nantucket - DCA
Norfolk - CLT PHL DCA
Portland (ME) - CLT PHL DCA
Providence - CLT PHL DCA
Raleigh/Durham - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Richmond - BOS CLT PHL
Roanoke - CLT PHL
Rochester (NY) - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Syracuse - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Washington-Dulles - CLT
Wilmington (NC) - CLT PHL DCA
Compared to the 2009 proposal, only ITH (from which I think US receives subsidies) would have gained new service ex-DCA. Of the remaining nine cities without existing US flights from DCA, only AVL and LEX are not within 100 miles of DCA. They also are not served by UA ex-IAD.
Of the 15 new cities circa 2009:
- five are state/national capitals
- five are within big metros
- three are Southern coastal resorts (one with a giant military installation), and
- Grand Rapids is the outlier.
Albany - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Asheville (NC) - CLT PHL
Baltimore - CLT PHL PHX
Bangor - PHL DCA
Buffalo - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Burlington (VT) - PHL DCA
Charleston (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Charlottesville - CLT PHL
Columbia (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Columbus (OH) - CLT PHL PHX DCA
Dayton - CLT PHL DCA
Greensboro - CLT PHL DCA
Greenville/Spartanburg (SC) - CLT PHL DCA
Harrisburg - BOS CLT PHL
Hartford - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Ithaca - PHL
Lexington (KY) - CLT
Louisville - CLT PHL DCA
Manchester (NH) - CLT PHL DCA
Martha's Vineyard - DCA
Nantucket - DCA
Norfolk - CLT PHL DCA
Portland (ME) - CLT PHL DCA
Providence - CLT PHL DCA
Raleigh/Durham - CLT PHL PIT DCA
Richmond - BOS CLT PHL
Roanoke - CLT PHL
Rochester (NY) - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Syracuse - BOS CLT PHL DCA
Washington-Dulles - CLT
Wilmington (NC) - CLT PHL DCA
Compared to the 2009 proposal, only ITH (from which I think US receives subsidies) would have gained new service ex-DCA. Of the remaining nine cities without existing US flights from DCA, only AVL and LEX are not within 100 miles of DCA. They also are not served by UA ex-IAD.
Of the 15 new cities circa 2009:
- five are state/national capitals
- five are within big metros
- three are Southern coastal resorts (one with a giant military installation), and
- Grand Rapids is the outlier.
#162
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Here today gone tomorrow
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Posts: 2,865
So is this (reincarnated) deal still alive? If so, can we change the subject line again to remove the "drop it" language--it certainly looks to be going forward in its revised form!
#164
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Programs: US1
Posts: 1,928
Some of the cities should not be called "new" routes. At one time US did fly non-stop to DCA-Montreal. I am surprised they didn't bring back DCA-Toronto
Per the 2009 announcement, the 15 cities were:
Cincinnati, Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Madison, Montreal, Ottawa, Miami, Birminham, Islip, Ithaca, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Savannah, Tallahassee.
I assume most of those would stay unless they get some perimeter exceptions.
And giving proper credit:
http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/13/de...-and-ny-slots/
Cheers.
Cincinnati, Des Moines, Grand Rapids, Madison, Montreal, Ottawa, Miami, Birminham, Islip, Ithaca, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Savannah, Tallahassee.
I assume most of those would stay unless they get some perimeter exceptions.
And giving proper credit:
http://crankyflier.com/2009/08/13/de...-and-ny-slots/
Cheers.
#165
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: DCA/IAD
Programs: AA EXP; 1W Emerald; HHonors Diamond; Marriott Gold; UA dirt
Posts: 7,811
Can a lightly loaded A318 (full fuel, but 35 C class seats) make it DCA-LCY without refueling?