Embraer 170
Nov 12, 2003, 3:52 am
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Embraer 170
Was chatting with a pilot on a flight to somewhere about a month ago. He told me that US pilots were training on this aircraft. It is a full size RJ with large overhaeds and a FC cabin. US has an order for 85 planes...Is this the future of the RJ?? Could this plane be the savior for US?
Nov 12, 2003, 5:14 am
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According to the May press release
http://www.usairways.com/about/press/nw_03_0512.htm
they also got a great deal.
As someone who flies frequently from a small airport, I'm looking forward to the arrival of the Embraer 170s starting November. Soon, there'd be no more need for plane-side check-in of carry-on bag, and FC availability in a RJ is a nice touch!
http://www.usairways.com/about/press/nw_03_0512.htm
they also got a great deal.
As someone who flies frequently from a small airport, I'm looking forward to the arrival of the Embraer 170s starting November. Soon, there'd be no more need for plane-side check-in of carry-on bag, and FC availability in a RJ is a nice touch!
Nov 12, 2003, 7:28 am
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I would consider the Embraer 170/175/190/195 family as much an RJ as the DC-9, Boeing 717, and Fokker 100 ... the 190/195 are in the same league as all of those while the 170/175 is a scaled down version ... the only relationship to what most folks consider an "RJ" and the new Embraers is 2-2 seating, which in a decent size cabin is actually a great plus (no middle seat!).
Embraer homepage for EMB-170
Embraer homepage for EMB-170
Nov 12, 2003, 10:19 am
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There are rumors (unconfirmed thus far) that the EMB-170s might not be coming equipped with FC.
I think US would be nuts not to, but the folks at CCY never cease to amaze me with some of their antics.
It does look like a "small jet" as opposed to a "lawn dart with turbofans," tho. We'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like.
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I think US would be nuts not to, but the folks at CCY never cease to amaze me with some of their antics.
It does look like a "small jet" as opposed to a "lawn dart with turbofans," tho. We'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like.
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Nov 12, 2003, 11:47 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
There are rumors (unconfirmed thus far) that the EMB-170s might not be coming equipped with FC.
I think US would be nuts not to, but the folks at CCY never cease to amaze me with some of their antics.
It does look like a "small jet" as opposed to a "lawn dart with turbofans," tho. We'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like.
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There are rumors (unconfirmed thus far) that the EMB-170s might not be coming equipped with FC.
I think US would be nuts not to, but the folks at CCY never cease to amaze me with some of their antics.
It does look like a "small jet" as opposed to a "lawn dart with turbofans," tho. We'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like.
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I somehow doubt they'll be coming with F cabins.
Nov 12, 2003, 12:20 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dcmike:
I somehow doubt they'll be coming with F cabins.</font>
I somehow doubt they'll be coming with F cabins.</font>
Nov 12, 2003, 1:35 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dcmike:
I was about to ask which configuration US had ordered. The configurations that they have listed on the site kinda shock me - 70 seats at 32" pitch, 78 seats at 31" pitch - does one inch of pitch really make that big of a diference?</font>
I was about to ask which configuration US had ordered. The configurations that they have listed on the site kinda shock me - 70 seats at 32" pitch, 78 seats at 31" pitch - does one inch of pitch really make that big of a diference?</font>
I hope they come with an F cabin.
I'll wait until I (or one of my fellow cockroaches) actually sits in one of these F seats before declaring victory.
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Nov 12, 2003, 1:59 pm
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We will see how good these planes really are in practice. They've already had a certification delay, and the 717 will still hold about 15 more people than the biggest one, the 195, in comparable seating configurations. 717's (and maybe DC-9's) will still be flying when these things have already started going into the recycling bin if they are built as disposables like the ERJ's currenly flying.
Nov 12, 2003, 2:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ClueByFour:
Sure. About 70" worth, which at 31-32" of pitch, leaves enough for 2 more rows (of 2x2 seating). Ergo, you go from 70 to 78 seats.
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Sure. About 70" worth, which at 31-32" of pitch, leaves enough for 2 more rows (of 2x2 seating). Ergo, you go from 70 to 78 seats.
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Nov 12, 2003, 2:49 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CPRich:
Since it's 70 seats, not 70 rows, taking out 1" would only free up about 18". I'm not sure how they get 2 more rows freeing up 18".</font>
Since it's 70 seats, not 70 rows, taking out 1" would only free up about 18". I'm not sure how they get 2 more rows freeing up 18".</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CPRich:
Since it's 70 seats, not 70 rows, taking out 1" would only free up about 18". I'm not sure how they get 2 more rows freeing up 18".</font>
Since it's 70 seats, not 70 rows, taking out 1" would only free up about 18". I'm not sure how they get 2 more rows freeing up 18".</font>
Gack. Complete mental block on my part. As Tom mentions, you don't need a huge galley for 78 coach seats (since hot food won't be served) or a closet (since you don't need to hang Y pax coats).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Beckles:
Seeing that US stated in the press release (linked above) that the 70 seaters from Bombardier and Embraer both would be two-class aircraft, I think they probably will have F cabins.</font>
Seeing that US stated in the press release (linked above) that the 70 seaters from Bombardier and Embraer both would be two-class aircraft, I think they probably will have F cabins.</font>
I sit corrected! DOH!