Southwest to PHL
Oct 28, 2003, 10:26 am
#31
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There is no way they are going to start with 40 flights a day. Better yet, I'd like to see how they are going to get 3 airplanes at the same time at the E10 A-C gates. At most they've had 2 airplanes parked there, but I don't think there is any way all 3 can be used at the same time with the 700's without some major adjustments.
My bets on cities are MHT, MCO, STL, BNA and MDW.
My bets on cities are MHT, MCO, STL, BNA and MDW.
Oct 28, 2003, 10:57 am
#32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
as WN customers tend to pay HIGHER fares because WN sells FEWER deeply-discounted seats than its full-service rivals.
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as WN customers tend to pay HIGHER fares because WN sells FEWER deeply-discounted seats than its full-service rivals.
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A couple of these on a plane and you raise your revenue/flight dramatically.
Oct 28, 2003, 11:45 am
#33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by phllax:
There is no way they are going to start with 40 flights a day. Better yet, I'd like to see how they are going to get 3 airplanes at the same time at the E10 A-C gates. At most they've had 2 airplanes parked there, but I don't think there is any way all 3 can be used at the same time with the 700's without some major adjustments.
My bets on cities are MHT, MCO, STL, BNA and MDW.</font>
There is no way they are going to start with 40 flights a day. Better yet, I'd like to see how they are going to get 3 airplanes at the same time at the E10 A-C gates. At most they've had 2 airplanes parked there, but I don't think there is any way all 3 can be used at the same time with the 700's without some major adjustments.
My bets on cities are MHT, MCO, STL, BNA and MDW.</font>
Oct 28, 2003, 11:48 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by nawlinsdoc:
May I ask how this is done? (i.e. getting a good seat without getting to the gate way early?)</font>
May I ask how this is done? (i.e. getting a good seat without getting to the gate way early?)</font>
If you are in group A there is no need to stand in line at the gate, just be the last one in group A and you will do fine. Group B is usually also okay to be last in, so long as the plane is originating in your airport.
The few rare times I get stuck in a middle seat, I switch at the next stop.
Oct 28, 2003, 12:03 pm
#36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JRF:
You post as if you are an expert. Please tell us why they can not start with 40 flights a day!</font>
You post as if you are an expert. Please tell us why they can not start with 40 flights a day!</font>
Oct 28, 2003, 12:11 pm
#37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ITRADE:
40 flights with four gates. Thats 10 gate movements per gate. At PHL - especially in bad weather - good f**king luck.</font>
40 flights with four gates. Thats 10 gate movements per gate. At PHL - especially in bad weather - good f**king luck.</font>
Oct 28, 2003, 12:16 pm
#38
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Generally WN plane can taxi up, deplane, clean up, reload, and pull away from a gate in about 30 minutes.
So 10 gate movements X 30 mins = 5 hours. I wonder what they will do the rest of the day?
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.
So 10 gate movements X 30 mins = 5 hours. I wonder what they will do the rest of the day?
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.
Oct 28, 2003, 12:21 pm
#39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by GetReal:
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.</font>
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.</font>
Oct 28, 2003, 12:31 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
Nor does it necessarily mean that PHL fares will broadly collapse, as WN customers tend to pay HIGHER fares because WN sells FEWER deeply-discounted seats than its full-service rivals.
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Nor does it necessarily mean that PHL fares will broadly collapse, as WN customers tend to pay HIGHER fares because WN sells FEWER deeply-discounted seats than its full-service rivals.
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Oct 28, 2003, 12:35 pm
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Here's the press release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031028/datu052_1.html
14 daily flights to start - more will certainly follow.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031028/datu052_1.html
14 daily flights to start - more will certainly follow.
Oct 28, 2003, 12:36 pm
#42
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by GetReal:
Generally WN plane can taxi up, deplane, clean up, reload, and pull away from a gate in about 30 minutes.
So 10 gate movements X 30 mins = 5 hours. I wonder what they will do the rest of the day?
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.</font>
Generally WN plane can taxi up, deplane, clean up, reload, and pull away from a gate in about 30 minutes.
So 10 gate movements X 30 mins = 5 hours. I wonder what they will do the rest of the day?
You are right, already operating in cities like ALB, BOI, BUF, MDW, CLE, and DTW - I doubt they will no what to think about a PHL winter.</font>
Southwest 1512, you're number 34 for departure.
Oct 28, 2003, 12:50 pm
#43
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FWAAA:
Any published source for the italicized assertion?? Any links to provide?</font>
Any published source for the italicized assertion?? Any links to provide?</font>
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Oct 28, 2003, 1:03 pm
#44
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This may not be as bad as people think for US.
First, what percent of PHL traffic is O&D? O&D fares will change, but I don't think connecting fares from other cities will.
Second, what percent of the above are southwest cities? Fares to LAX may go down, but not fares to non-SW cities
Third, Europe and Caribbean are money makers for US. Southwest doesn't serve either. This is where US keeps expanding because they make $$.
First, what percent of PHL traffic is O&D? O&D fares will change, but I don't think connecting fares from other cities will.
Second, what percent of the above are southwest cities? Fares to LAX may go down, but not fares to non-SW cities
Third, Europe and Caribbean are money makers for US. Southwest doesn't serve either. This is where US keeps expanding because they make $$.
Oct 28, 2003, 1:03 pm
#45
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PIT had no chance to win out over PHL in a beauty contest with PHL for SouthWest. The O/D traffic is considerably more in PHL.
I still bet that Rendell has a PIT/PHL bailout package on the backburner. He can't put all of his cards on the election since Roddy is a Repub and he's a Dem.
I'm sortof surprised that PHL would go for a LCC that will irreparably damage it's #1 source of revenue.
I still bet that Rendell has a PIT/PHL bailout package on the backburner. He can't put all of his cards on the election since Roddy is a Repub and he's a Dem.
I'm sortof surprised that PHL would go for a LCC that will irreparably damage it's #1 source of revenue.