Status of UA's 777 Conversion to new International First, Business and Economy Seats
#1261
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I know pax/lav ratio is how things are commonly looked at and if you look only at that metric it does sound OK, right 1/8 for F vs 1/20 for C and so on....the thing is there's still just 1 lav. So if 1 person goes on an extended visit you end up with no lav, having the second one was better for just this reason. Also old F was 2 lavs for 10 seats, or 1/5 so yes while its not the end of the world its not as good as before.
Now is a good a time as any to bump my earlier question: does anyone know what happened to the 2nd of 4 bathrooms in the central part of the economy cabin? 1 of 4 was sacrificed to provide access to the crew rest area, but what about the other one (there are now only 2; there are 4 in the same location in the old config).

#1262
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 4,666
I suppose this question is best aimed at worldtrav or planemechanic. The current rate of progress, which has been discussed here previously, is about one conversion per month. Do we have any reason to believe that this rate may increase, or should we plan on it taking another 3+ years for the entire int'l 777 fleet to be converted (assuming the conversions aren't a casualty of the merger)?
Actually, another thought based on that last bit - is it even possible for UA to get out of the conversions if the new management wanted to? Do we know if the contracts have already been signed / money laid out? I imagine we don't really have access to the answers to those questions...
Actually, another thought based on that last bit - is it even possible for UA to get out of the conversions if the new management wanted to? Do we know if the contracts have already been signed / money laid out? I imagine we don't really have access to the answers to those questions...
As to your questions in the 2nd paragraph, you answered your own question in the last sentence.

#1263
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Now is a good a time as any to bump my earlier question: does anyone know what happened to the 2nd of 4 bathrooms in the central part of the economy cabin? 1 of 4 was sacrificed to provide access to the crew rest area, but what about the other one (there are now only 2; there are 4 in the same location in the old config).
Andy

#1264
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Reading some of these later posts, I am beginning to feel not so excited about what they have done to my former favorite....

#1265
Join Date: May 2010
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The reason for the ruduction of the mid section restrooms is because of the new condfiguration of 3-3-3. The old configuration of 2-5-2 give the mid section enough width to fit 2 ressrooms. That is the reason why the last row of that section across from the FA crewrest entry, there are only 2 seats on each side instead of 3. The large restroom is made larger across 3 seats to be the handicap restroom. However, there are some new configuration that still have the crewrest seats in the cabin and the entry hatch become the 3rd restroom in the mid section. United should relocate the 4 restrooms to the side of the airplane instead of the mid section like other airlines that have 3-3-3 seating and that will solve the problem. It is just poor planning,IMO.
Oops. I forgot it will take away the exit seating....

Oops. I forgot it will take away the exit seating....


#1266
Join Date: Sep 2009
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When the new C first came out, it really was a big improvement and I still find it very comfortable. I do think, however, that UA ought to think about switching to a herringbone layout/seats. I find these to be a little more private and comfortable to fly in. Does anyone know what kind of layount CO is using?

#1267
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: DTW
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861 IAD-GRU 10/23 is the new config
Plane was supposed to be the old config with crew rest downstairs, but when I checked in I found I had been moved from 22B to 22D.
Checked UnitedCargo and my return on 860 on Thursday is the new config as well. I guess IAD-GRU is the changing over gradually?
It explains my SWU not clearing, less seats. Damn!!
Checked UnitedCargo and my return on 860 on Thursday is the new config as well. I guess IAD-GRU is the changing over gradually?
It explains my SWU not clearing, less seats. Damn!!

#1268
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Juan Capistrano, CA
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Plane was supposed to be the old config with crew rest downstairs, but when I checked in I found I had been moved from 22B to 22D.
Checked UnitedCargo and my return on 860 on Thursday is the new config as well. I guess IAD-GRU is the changing over gradually?
It explains my SWU not clearing, less seats. Damn!!
Checked UnitedCargo and my return on 860 on Thursday is the new config as well. I guess IAD-GRU is the changing over gradually?
It explains my SWU not clearing, less seats. Damn!!


#1269
Join Date: May 2005
Location: West Yorks, UK
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I was on UA930 (SFO-LHR) last week. My seat in C was 7G, forward facing 2nd row. From this middle seat it was virtually impossible to see the manual safety demo because of the dividing screen.

#1270
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Agreed. As someone who travels in E+ most of the time, only occasionally being upgraded to C, I'm disappointed. The old config had 6 excellent E+ seats, while the new config ones aren't as good. The restroom situation is awful. However, the new C is brilliant but with a lower chance of being upgraded....

#1271
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When the new C first came out, it really was a big improvement and I still find it very comfortable. I do think, however, that UA ought to think about switching to a herringbone layout/seats. I find these to be a little more private and comfortable to fly in. Does anyone know what kind of layount CO is using?

#1272
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When the new C first came out, it really was a big improvement and I still find it very comfortable. I do think, however, that UA ought to think about switching to a herringbone layout/seats. I find these to be a little more private and comfortable to fly in. Does anyone know what kind of layount CO is using?

#1273
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That would probably require UA to redesign the C/F product, and then spend additional time getting the new config certified. Not worth the extra money and time to switch.

#1274
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When the new C first came out, it really was a big improvement and I still find it very comfortable. I do think, however, that UA ought to think about switching to a herringbone layout/seats. I find these to be a little more private and comfortable to fly in. Does anyone know what kind of layount CO is using?

#1275
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I thought the FAs are suppose to do the motion twice for IPTE C manual demo, once facing back of the plane (normal position), and second time from the back of the cabin for backward facing passengers?
