Status of UA's 777 Conversion to new International First, Business and Economy Seats
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I would think that new seats+new screens would actually be more expensive to outfit with non-avod PTV looping films technologies (if they're even made anymore?). If you've got to rip out the seats+screens anyway and replace with new build, the marginal cost of going AVOD at that point is minimal, given that the hardware will already be installed for the F/C cabins.
The one way it makes sense to go non-AVOD is I guess UA could convert the Y cabin to 747 style overhead screens. Would probably be the first IFE retrogression on an international plane in the history of flying, but wouldn't put it past UA.
UA has a summer schedule that only requires 21 747s. They have extras as hot spares in the hubs because of the low dispatch reliability of the 747 and lack of resale value on the aftermarket.
The one way it makes sense to go non-AVOD is I guess UA could convert the Y cabin to 747 style overhead screens. Would probably be the first IFE retrogression on an international plane in the history of flying, but wouldn't put it past UA.
Originally Posted by chichow
Which is interesting given how much changes in a 2 year period.
I remember when flying paid business and I HAD to be there, I wouldn't fly the 747, but would take the 777 because of all of the mechanical issues with the 747s.
I remember when flying paid business and I HAD to be there, I wouldn't fly the 747, but would take the 777 because of all of the mechanical issues with the 747s.
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The big reason that they weren't replaced on the current gen airplanes is that you'd have to basically replace all the seats at the same time, since the PCU and the new screens probably wouldn't fit in the old seats.
Edit: There is an argument for ongoing maintenance costs, however. As the Panasonic units in the new seats demonstrate, IFE systems are maintenance hogs.
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Actually I think 747 and 777 go mechanical about the same, I have seen the past month ORD-SFO-ORD two occasions were supposed to be 777, got subbed both times with the 747.
D check is not performed when they put in new C, if it is true, then you would see planes with new C also come with new color, D check require to strip off the paint at the fuselage in order to inspect cracks. In reality, there are planes with new color but old C, e.g. N171UA and N177UA. And planes in old color but new C, e.g. N127UA
D check is not performed when they put in new C, if it is true, then you would see planes with new C also come with new color, D check require to strip off the paint at the fuselage in order to inspect cracks. In reality, there are planes with new color but old C, e.g. N171UA and N177UA. And planes in old color but new C, e.g. N127UA
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The IPTE work is done:
a.) as a standalone visit
b.) in conjunction with c-checks
c.) in conjunction with d-checks
and each visit takes a different amount of time.
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You may be confusing the schedule with the airplanes needed to keep the schedule in force. Typically there is always one airplane in scheduled maintenance at any one time, either c-check or D-check, sometimes there are two. Then you add in the other maintenance visits, such as gear changes, service bulletin work etc.. and you can lose another plane out of the schedule. This is true of all fleets. Some fleets have 3-4 aircraft in c-check/d-checks at any one time.
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United's New Business Class for SIN-NRT-IAD
Is there any chance UA upgrades the fleet on this route or makes any chances before June?
I am flying in June 2010 will the new business class be configured for the SIN-NRT-IAD. Are they configuring every plane for certain routes? I would assume United would do it for this route as its one of its longest routes. I was just wondering when its supposed to be fully completed.
I am flying in June 2010 will the new business class be configured for the SIN-NRT-IAD. Are they configuring every plane for certain routes? I would assume United would do it for this route as its one of its longest routes. I was just wondering when its supposed to be fully completed.
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RE: Uniteds New Business Class for SIN-NRT-IAD
Why are you saying nope? When United is saying they are reconfiguring all of their international aircraft for business class
http://www.suitedreams.united.com/
They even have that dedicated website for it. My guess is flight 804 will be one of the first to be configured in the new business class considering it is one of its longest routes. Does anyone know when the 777 of this route will be completed?
http://www.suitedreams.united.com/
They even have that dedicated website for it. My guess is flight 804 will be one of the first to be configured in the new business class considering it is one of its longest routes. Does anyone know when the 777 of this route will be completed?
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Actually, as an aside, NRT-IAD as of December (can't remember exact cutover date, may be earlier) goes to a 744, which means short of them failing to complete the last 1 or 2 planes by then, you would be in new biz class...
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Is there any chance UA upgrades the fleet on this route or makes any chances before June?
I am flying in June 2010 will the new business class be configured for the SIN-NRT-IAD. Are they configuring every plane for certain routes? I would assume United would do it for this route as its one of its longest routes. I was just wondering when its supposed to be fully completed.
I am flying in June 2010 will the new business class be configured for the SIN-NRT-IAD. Are they configuring every plane for certain routes? I would assume United would do it for this route as its one of its longest routes. I was just wondering when its supposed to be fully completed.