Status of UA's 777 Conversion to new International First, Business and Economy Seats
Apr 1, 10, 4:56 pm
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They are wrong! because it says "At the same time, United is adding as many as 21 seats to its Economy Plus cabin and two extra seats in coach. The shift reflects travel policies adopted by many companies that require employees to fly in coach rather than in business-class seats." and i work for United airlines and thats not true at all.
- the retrofitted 777s will have more E+ seating
or
- more are flying economy
update -- appears I am not the only one confused (just slower in posting)
Apr 1, 10, 5:03 pm
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I've been trying to make this point for years, and I believe this was the original rationale for 2-5-2. Think of it like this (the numbers = number of seats between you and the aisle):
1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1
vs.
2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2
Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.
1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1
vs.
2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2
Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.
But in the 3-3-3 configuration the two people who have to get past two other passengers to the aisle are at least compensated by having a window. I think this may be a fair trade for some. YMMV.
Apr 1, 10, 6:31 pm
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Apr 1, 10, 7:17 pm
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Apr 1, 10, 7:28 pm
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There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:
Originally Posted by Randy's Journal
"[Having an empty seat next to you [is] still the biggest discriminator in passenger satisfaction. And you know what the revelation for me was? It’s not just that people like having empty seats next to them. It’s that row arrangements dramatically influence the probability of having an empty seat next to you. Now, the response of the traditionalists to this discovery was, “Boeing thinks comfort is a matter of luck.”
My point is, no, I want to make you lucky. And frankly by converting from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3 we made people lucky. As a result of the change to 3-3-3, millions more passengers have been seated next to an empty seat than would have in exactly the same load factor circumstances in a traditional arrangement.
My point is, no, I want to make you lucky. And frankly by converting from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3 we made people lucky. As a result of the change to 3-3-3, millions more passengers have been seated next to an empty seat than would have in exactly the same load factor circumstances in a traditional arrangement.
Apr 1, 10, 8:02 pm
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There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:
Apr 1, 10, 10:38 pm
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There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:
Apr 2, 10, 5:51 am
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There is a comment from a member on airliners.net (forum name something like United_FA...) that the crew rest seats on the 777XI/XC will be relocated from 17/18/19HJ to the last two rows of E+ in the center (DEF seats)
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Apr 2, 10, 10:51 am
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If you fly UA long enough, origianlly there is a version of 777 (28xx), have the crew rest seats in the back of the 1st section of Y, row 24,25,26HJ.
Apr 2, 10, 10:56 am
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Additional confirmation of AVOD in Y in the press:
http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...on-demand.html
However, United is not reducing the "pitch," a measure of the space between rows, in order to squeeze in more economy seats, Johnson said. Economy Plus seats will still have a 34-inch pitch, while Economy seats will have a 31-inch pitch.
http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...on-demand.html
However, United is not reducing the "pitch," a measure of the space between rows, in order to squeeze in more economy seats, Johnson said. Economy Plus seats will still have a 34-inch pitch, while Economy seats will have a 31-inch pitch.
Are they now sqeezeing in one extra row of Y to reduce the E+ seat pitch rather than adding 2 rows of E+ in the former C section ?
Apr 2, 10, 12:10 pm
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I've been trying to make this point for years, and I believe this was the original rationale for 2-5-2. Think of it like this (the numbers = number of seats between you and the aisle):
1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1
vs.
2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2
Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.
1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1
vs.
2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2
Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.
XOX XOX XOX is generally better than what we usually see on 2-5-2 of:
XX XOOOX XX or even
XO XOXOX XX
That's the point that Boeing makes here.
The reality is a bit more complicated, and it depends on what load factors are typical.
Apr 2, 10, 12:26 pm
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Apr 2, 10, 3:23 pm
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Agree, internationally (the right comparison for the 777), February load factors were at a seasonally adjusted all time high, according to the IATA. (75% unadjusted, 79% adjusted for February typically being weak, though I'm not sure that's right when Chinese New Year is in February and skews the Asian results.) I'm not that will last forever, though. There's a fair amount of long-haul capacity that airlines aren't using right now.
Apr 2, 10, 4:38 pm
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For those pax who like the 2 seat (window/aisle) config, there are still some such seats available on the new IPTE 777.
I think they are at the end of E+ and E-.
I think they are at the end of E+ and E-.
