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Status of UA's 777 Conversion to new International First, Business and Economy Seats

Status of UA's 777 Conversion to new International First, Business and Economy Seats

 
Old Apr 1, 10, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by jckool44
They are wrong! because it says "At the same time, United is adding as many as 21 seats to its Economy Plus cabin and two extra seats in coach. The shift reflects travel policies adopted by many companies that require employees to fly in coach rather than in business-class seats." and i work for United airlines and thats not true at all.
Which is untrue?

- the retrofitted 777s will have more E+ seating
or
- more are flying economy



update -- appears I am not the only one confused (just slower in posting)
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Old Apr 1, 10, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by milepig
I've been trying to make this point for years, and I believe this was the original rationale for 2-5-2. Think of it like this (the numbers = number of seats between you and the aisle):

1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1

vs.

2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2

Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.

But in the 3-3-3 configuration the two people who have to get past two other passengers to the aisle are at least compensated by having a window. I think this may be a fair trade for some. YMMV.
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Old Apr 1, 10, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
But in the 3-3-3 configuration the two people who have to get past two other passengers to the aisle are at least compensated by having a window. I think this may be a fair trade for some. YMMV.
But, the number of people having a window seat is the same.
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Old Apr 1, 10, 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
They won't be in the fleet for as long before being retired. Less ROI.
Makes sense. Thanks.
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Old Apr 1, 10, 7:28 pm
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There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:

Originally Posted by Randy's Journal
"[Having an empty seat next to you [is] still the biggest discriminator in passenger satisfaction. And you know what the revelation for me was? Its not just that people like having empty seats next to them. Its that row arrangements dramatically influence the probability of having an empty seat next to you. Now, the response of the traditionalists to this discovery was, Boeing thinks comfort is a matter of luck.

My point is, no, I want to make you lucky. And frankly by converting from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3 we made people lucky. As a result of the change to 3-3-3, millions more passengers have been seated next to an empty seat than would have in exactly the same load factor circumstances in a traditional arrangement.
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Old Apr 1, 10, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by coolbeans202
There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:
So when's that 767 going to 3-1-3?
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Old Apr 1, 10, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by coolbeans202
There was a post recently on Randy's Journal (Boeing) that briefly discussed seating configuration and explains pretty concisely the rational some have for switching to 3-3-3. It was an interview with an interior designer at Boeing who stated:
I would say this is true for most people in Y. No one is expecting the bells and whistles back there, but any additional space is always a bonus. I've always preferred 3-3-3 myself.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 5:51 am
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There is a comment from a member on airliners.net (forum name something like United_FA...) that the crew rest seats on the 777XI/XC will be relocated from 17/18/19HJ to the last two rows of E+ in the center (DEF seats)

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Old Apr 2, 10, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by Skymonster
There is a comment from a member on airliners.net (forum name something like United_FA...) that the crew rest seats on the 777XI/XC will be relocated from 17/18/19HJ to the last two rows of E+ in the center (DEF seats)
If you fly UA long enough, origianlly there is a version of 777 (28xx), have the crew rest seats in the back of the 1st section of Y, row 24,25,26HJ.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by bmvaughn
Additional confirmation of AVOD in Y in the press:
http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...on-demand.html

However, United is not reducing the "pitch," a measure of the space between rows, in order to squeeze in more economy seats, Johnson said. Economy Plus seats will still have a 34-inch pitch, while Economy seats will have a 31-inch pitch.
I hope this is not true.

Are they now sqeezeing in one extra row of Y to reduce the E+ seat pitch rather than adding 2 rows of E+ in the former C section ?
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Old Apr 2, 10, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by milepig
I've been trying to make this point for years, and I believe this was the original rationale for 2-5-2. Think of it like this (the numbers = number of seats between you and the aisle):

1-0 0-1-2-1-0 0-1

vs.

2-1-0 0-1-0 0-1-2

Twice as many people need to crawl over 2 people with 3-3-3.
Only if you assume a 100% load factor. 3-3-3 is superior for if, say, 6 of the 9 seats are occupied.

XOX XOX XOX is generally better than what we usually see on 2-5-2 of:
XX XOOOX XX or even
XO XOXOX XX

That's the point that Boeing makes here.

The reality is a bit more complicated, and it depends on what load factors are typical.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by John Thacker
Only if you assume a 100% load factor.
Which is generally what we see these days.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Which is generally what we see these days.
Agree, internationally (the right comparison for the 777), February load factors were at a seasonally adjusted all time high, according to the IATA. (75% unadjusted, 79% adjusted for February typically being weak, though I'm not sure that's right when Chinese New Year is in February and skews the Asian results.) I'm not that will last forever, though. There's a fair amount of long-haul capacity that airlines aren't using right now.
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Old Apr 2, 10, 4:37 pm
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This is quite true.

Originally Posted by Skymonster
There is a comment from a member on airliners.net (forum name something like United_FA...) that the crew rest seats on the 777XI/XC will be relocated from 17/18/19HJ to the last two rows of E+ in the center (DEF seats)

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Old Apr 2, 10, 4:38 pm
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For those pax who like the 2 seat (window/aisle) config, there are still some such seats available on the new IPTE 777.

I think they are at the end of E+ and E-.
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