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2009 MP Changes - UA Restores 500 Mile Min for Elites and New Award Redemption Rules

2009 MP Changes - UA Restores 500 Mile Min for Elites and New Award Redemption Rules

 
Old Nov 3, 08, 1:46 pm
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2009 MP Changes - UA Restores 500 Mile Min for Elites and New Award Redemption Rules

There are some changes posted on the bomb, including restoration of 500 mile minimum for elites and mileage needed for awards!
http://www.united.com/page/article/0...%2F2009prgchng
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Old Nov 3, 08, 1:49 pm
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hmm
good the 500min is back BUT
looks like they raised it up some miles, and some routa a lot noting that C went up a lot (incl routes with the new C)

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Within U.S. (excluding Hawaii) and Canada 	25,000 	45,000-50,000 	60,000-70,000
To Hawaii 	35,000-40,000 	75,000-80,000 	90,000-100,000
To Caribbean or Central America 	35,000 	60,000 	80,000
To South America 	50,000-55,000 	80,000-100,000 	110,000-135,000
To Europe 	50,000-55,000 	80,000-105,000 	120,000-135,000
To Japan, North Asia, South Asia 	60,000-65,000 	90,000-125,000 	120,000-145,000
To Central Asia via the Atlantic 	80,000 	120,000 	160,000
To Australia or New Zealand 	80,000 	110,000-135,000 	140,000-160,000
To Oceania 	80,000 	120,000-135,000 	150,000-160,000
To Middle East 	75,000 	115,000 	140,000-145,000
To Africa 	80,000 	120,000 	160,000

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Old Nov 3, 08, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by LilZeppelin View Post
including restoration of 500 mile minimum for elites
http://www.united.com/page/article/0...%2F2009prgchng


WOO HOO

IMhO: The 500 mi minimum deserves its own thread/title
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Old Nov 3, 08, 1:56 pm
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Upgrades seem to follow up AA has been doing, letting you upgrade from any fare bucket but charging a co-pay.
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Old Nov 3, 08, 1:58 pm
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Effective July 1, 2009, we are generally reducing the miles required and will collect a co-pay when miles are redeemed to upgrade a United Economy ticket. (Upgrade awards requested prior to the effective date for travel after the effective date will not be affected.)

So this is good... at least gives a lot of time..

It seems SWU doesn't require co-pay?

Mileage upgrade awards require less miles but $$ as co-pay

This is huge!!!!

Thanks for the heads-up
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Old Nov 3, 08, 1:59 pm
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For saver*A awards from N America, only Caribbean, Oceania, Africa and Central Asia are the same in all classes, all other regions are up by as little as 5K miles (Y award to Hawaii, Europe, S America, Asia) to as much as up by 25K (F award to South America, North Asia, Australia).
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How is the co-pay figured out?
I book B fares, restricted.
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Old Nov 3, 08, 2:01 pm
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If you read it carefully, they are applying the 500 mile minimum to elites retroactively so it's like it never went away!

"And, this policy change will be applied retroactively to United flights flown between July 1, 2008, and December 31, 2008. By the end of this year, we will update the flights flown as an elite member during that time. The update will apply the 500-mile minimum (for redeemable miles and Elite Qualifying Miles) and will adjust any class-of-service bonuses, elite bonuses and promotional bonuses."
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I'm unclear on whether SWU and CR1 require co-pays?
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I'm unclear on whether SWU and CR1 require co-pays?
or 500 miler upgrades
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or 500 miler upgrades
Co-pay will not be assessed on Lufthansa paper upgrades, Systemwide Upgrades, Confirmed Regional Upgrades or 500-Mile E-Upgrades.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0...prgterms#jump3
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Originally Posted by uapremier View Post
I'm unclear on whether SWU and CR1 require co-pays?
Do not collect for SWU and CR1, read terms and conditions.
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Interesting to compare the new redemption rates for US-Europe vs. US-Middle East and US-Africa...
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Old Nov 3, 08, 2:11 pm
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EU-N.A.: C-class 80 - 105'000, F-class 120 - 135'000 miles
pretty steep increase, at + 31%, especially for C-class.

Same for N.A. - Asia C-class: 90 - 125'000 = + 39% !!!

I would be fine with an increase along the lines of coach, e.g. EU-N.A. + 10%.

After all F-class was raised just recently.
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Old Nov 3, 08, 2:12 pm
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Prediction: This thread will get a lot of posts

Analysis: The net effect of the changes are ambiguous.

Positive: If you do a lot of short hops (500 mile minimum back, and backdated!), redeem only in US (unchanged award levels), and either don't upgrade with miles, or upgrade only from Y/B.

If you're an elite booked in Y/B you mostly get a complimentary upgrade request, so the lack of copay is meaningless here.

Negative: If you use miles to upgrade on long haul flights booked into economy classes with moderate restrictions, significant copay now required.

Award redemption: Some significant increases. The Australia - NZ bargains (20K in Y, 30K in C) that used to exist are gone (35K in Y, 50K in C). Some significant (20% greater) increases in other places too.
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