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Originally Posted by CMHFlyerOH
(Post 8127449)
I'm flying the return of an award ticket from HKG-SFO-ORD and I'm not intending to take the SFO-ORD segment. Should I just "not show up" or should I officially cancel this last segment.
I don't make a habit of "throw away ticketing" but I need to in this case. |
1 year from ticketing
Originally Posted by mrichmond
(Post 8130780)
Is there a chance you'll fly that exact flight again? If so, you should consider calling and rescheduling for some time far in the future. I believe you have a year after the outgoing flight (I think) to take the return. Worth a shot...
--Matt in Indy |
Would you have checked baggage? That might create a problem. As the OP will be returning from out of the country, it's OK to have the bags tagged all the way to ORD when leaving HKG. Upon arrival at SFO, they will collect their bags, proceed through customs and then just walk to the right and out of the international terminal. I sometimes will check my carry-on through SFO, but just pass the baggage re-check and throw the tag away and carry it onto my next domestic flight. Did this a couple weeks ago, as NZ is more stringent on carry-ons (weight), on the CNZ deal to AKL. As mentioned, I'd likely call (or see a TA at SFO) and push the dates for SFO-ORD as far out as possible and then just change them later (or not). Award tickets are valid for one year from ticketing date, so travel must be completed by then, IIRC. Pat |
No-show questions
I am ticketed to travel:
AAA-BBB-CCC-DDD DDD-CCC-XXX-AAA Cheapesque tickets with a hefty change fee on each direction. I am considering terminating travel once I reach XXX. If I no-show on XXX-AAA, what are the ramifications? Also.. What happens if I purchase a seperate ticket (on UA), XXX-YYY that departs after XXX-AAA, but not before it arrives AAA. Sorry for the letters.. I felt like being unnecssarily discrete. And no.. reticketing it to DDD-CCC-XXX-YYY is not an option. |
Assuming no checked bags, your plan is good.
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The letters are all confusing me (:p), but just know the itin you are traveling on will be cancelled if you don't show up, so that's fine in this case. Any other itin should remain unaffected.
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This will not be a problem. Your miles for the previous flights will post without problems.
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It's called throwaway ticketing, and is technically against the rules. However, as long as you don't make a habit of it and draw attention to yourself, nothing bad will happen
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 8302284)
It's called throwaway ticketing, and is technically against the rules. However, as long as you don't make a habit of it and draw attention to yourself, nothing bad will happen
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Originally Posted by vsevolod4
(Post 8304514)
Exactly ... just remember that you should only throwaway segments from the end. If you wanted to throw away, say "DDD-CCC" and then fly "CCC-XXX" your onbound reservations are cancelled immediately after you no-show.
The biggest danger is in the case of irregular operations, the airline has no obligation to keep the same routing. They could reroute you via some other connection, or even nonstop to your ticketed destination (assuming that flight even exists, given the mysterious identifiers). |
Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 8302284)
It's called throwaway ticketing, and is technically against the rules. However, as long as you don't make a habit of it and draw attention to yourself, nothing bad will happen
Throwaway ticketing, on the other hand, would be if the OP were to stop in DDD. From what others have posted on FT, UA does not expressly disallow throwaway ticketing. |
I looked in United's contract of carriage and I couldn't find anything about hidden-city or throwaway tickets. I think that hidden-city ticketing has become much less of a problem now that just about everything is e-ticketed, which makes it much easier for the airilnes to control it.
Before e-ticketing, it was relatively easy to try to use individual flight coupons, so you could get off at the connecting point and get back on for your return flight. Now, once you get off on your outbound leg, the rest of the itinerary is canceled anyways, so it would only really be useful for one-way tickets or unusual open-jaw tickets. I'd agree the the OP is probably ok as long is this isn't a regular habit. If UA sees a pattern that they consider an abuse of their ticketing policies, they might find some clause that I missed to take action, but a one-time occurrence probably wouldn't even raise any flags. Most likely, they'd figure it was just a mistake by the GA in not collecting the boarding pass. |
Originally Posted by hockeyguy
(Post 8304854)
Before e-ticketing, it was relatively easy to try to use individual flight coupons, so you could get off at the connecting point and get back on for your return flight.
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 8305043)
Exactly. That's the classic definition of hidden city ticketing. Any time you don't use a flight coupon is throwaway ticketing. Hidden city is one form of throwaway ticketing, but doesn't involve throwing away the final segment(s). For true hidden city ticketing, you must skip segments in the middle, which, as hockeyguy points out, is nearly impossible to do with e-tickets.
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Originally Posted by nnn
(Post 8304559)
Actually, I believe this is called hidden-city ticketing, which UA does not allow. But, as stated, the OP should be fine getting away with it, as long as he or she does not do it frequently.
Throwaway ticketing, on the other hand, would be if the OP were to stop in DDD. From what others have posted on FT, UA does not expressly disallow throwaway ticketing. Hidden-city is stopping (or starting--which you really can't do at all any more) somewhere along a routing between ticketed origin and destination. I think it is rule 100A of the Contract of Carriage that prohibits it (ticket is valid for travel only between origin and destination), although I admit it is not completely obvious. People call throwing away the last connecting segment throwaway ticketing, but it is still hidden-city ticketing. Charles |
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