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DogHead Aug 20, 2008 10:14 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 10231882)
The comparisons to foreign airlines are ridiculous. None of those carriers are operating in the competitive and legislative environment that UA and the other US carriers are.

EU market is probably more competetive. European airlines also have higher operating costs, yet most of them manage to make profit.

climmy Aug 20, 2008 10:15 am

Just FYI
 
The GS service center is unaware of this as yet...At least the person I just spoke with.

TechBoy Aug 20, 2008 10:15 am


Originally Posted by climmy (Post 10231871)
I'm one who often flies paid C, SFO-IAD and return and go out of my way to fly 3-class. The C fares on these flights are often much more expensive than the F fares on the narrow-bodies serving the same routes. If there are too many upgraders on these routes, perhaps UA should reduce the C/D/Z pricing a bit and fill it with more paid pax. Perhaps even bring down the price in line with VX or other options. I mentioned previously that UA fares are REGULARLY $600 more, or more.

The problem is that most corporate flyers on these routes are not allowed to buy C tickets, regardless of the price. So lowering the price does not necessarily produce more customers and revenue. So you are the minority that really gets screwed by this. But I'd still take the C seat with cold food over domestic F with hot food.

1KPath Aug 20, 2008 10:15 am

I received the following response to an e-mail I sent yesterday...

Dear XXXXX,

I regret your disappointment with our decision of reducing meal services on our flights.

Your comments are important to United and will be useful in our ongoing efforts to make your travel experience as enjoyable as possible. I have shared your disappointment with our management responsible for the same so they understand how this policy change is felt from your point of view.

As a 1K member, you are one of our most valuable customers. We're grateful for your loyalty and look forward to the continued privilege of serving you.

Regards,

Gaurav Sharma
United Airlines Customer Relations



I received it within six hours of my original message...and UPDATE...I just received a phone call from Customer Service asking me what I objected to in the new plan...From the tone of their questions, it seems that they are surprised at the negative response they are getting...Maybe a letter/e-mail writing campaign will be effective!

TechBoy Aug 20, 2008 10:18 am


Originally Posted by tommy777 (Post 10231878)
Prediction: UA will still loose money after these changes. CO, who offers full service and meals even in Y domestic US will still make money. What does that tell you??

I would think it's safe to say that UA has incompetent management

Have you ever flown CO in Y for more than 2 hours? If you have, you would know that the low quality food that they provide for free hardly outweighs the cramped, uncomfortable seat.

GadgetFreak Aug 20, 2008 10:18 am


Originally Posted by gre (Post 10231178)
How the heck do you read that into the OP?

I might have been confused given the very poor wording of the OP. It seems others have read it the same way that I have but you might very well be correct.

dcmike Aug 20, 2008 10:19 am


Originally Posted by 1KPath (Post 10231925)
I received it within six hours of my original message...and UPDATE...I just received a phone call from Customer Service asking me what I objected to in the new plan...From the tone of their questions, it seems that they are surprised at the negative response they are getting...Maybe a letter/e-mail writing campaign will be effective!

Well, I am glad to know they're answering some of the emails. Maybe they'll get to mine eventually.

as219 Aug 20, 2008 10:20 am


Originally Posted by 1KPath (Post 10231925)
Maybe a letter/e-mail writing campaign will be effective!

Absolutely! I've already called and emailed... Everyone else should as well.

as219 Aug 20, 2008 10:21 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 10231951)
I might have been confused given the very poor wording of the OP. It seems others have read it the same way that I have but you might very well be correct.

I agree that the "memo" is horribly written.

MikeMpls Aug 20, 2008 10:22 am

How fast can a rock sink?

UA continues to confirm that we made the right decision in not moving our business to UA.

GadgetFreak Aug 20, 2008 10:22 am


Originally Posted by TechBoy (Post 10231740)
I agree that AA is key. They are the only really comparable airline to UA. But even they do not have E+. DL and CO may be nice for domestic flyers or J purchasers, but try upgrading on them internationally and you will see that they do not offer a competitive FF product compared to UA and AA.

The reason I mentioned LH is that so many of the posters want to stomp off and switch to LH. While one can debate which Y experience is more miserable, UA or LH, one cannot debate that LH FF program is inferior to UA for Y customers.

CO and DL do offer a good upgrade opportunity if you are buying high fare tickets, exactly the business everyone wants.

GadgetFreak Aug 20, 2008 10:24 am


Originally Posted by DogHead (Post 10231913)
EU market is probably more competetive. European airlines also have higher operating costs, yet most of them manage to make profit.

Tell me you believe that BA has the same level of competition out of London that UA has out of Chicago and I will sell you a very nice bridge.

uastarflyer Aug 20, 2008 10:25 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 10229046)
I was literally pricing a Y/B ticket from NY to LHR on AA and UA and trying to decide which one to book when I took a break to check what was happening on FT. Oooops. Well, at least I dont have to make a decision now, well except which AA flight to take. Are they kidding? All the noise about their upgraded business class and then they serve BoB?

I don't believe that is the case.

Starman Aug 20, 2008 10:26 am

The confusion in this thread between what's changing in C service on 3 class domestic C versus international C is itself an important metaphor for UA. We are reasonably sophisticated readers, and yet some have it stuck in their mind that the gorgeously (and expensively) refurbished international C will be serving boxed stale sandwiches, and maybe even charging for them. Perception is reality -- it doesn't matter if your customers get it wrong, UA -- it's your fault for planting this seed and thinking that the majority of customers will understand the subtleties!

denCSA Aug 20, 2008 10:36 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 10231882)
The comparisons to foreign airlines are ridiculous. None of those carriers are operating in the competitive and legislative environment that UA and the other US carriers are.

There can be no comparison to foreign airlines because according to US law US airlines are 'fortunate' (to the detriment of customers) to operate in a vacuum and can't be influenced (READ: HELPED/IMPROVED) in the least by 'external' sources. :rolleyes:


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