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LAX1K to AmWest Feb 12, 2007 12:03 am

Oh do not even joke!! US is worse or same as E- on most flights. They still say "Generous 31" pitch in coach". And they are stripping their A330 from 34" pitch to 31" pitch for INTERNATIONAL COACH.. can you say LH pitch :(

I do fly UA internationally over US.. and SQ or VS over US or any US airliner.

Thank God for Ted, cause you could be flying mainline US.

rar indeed Feb 12, 2007 12:11 am


Originally Posted by LAX1K to AmWest (Post 7206217)
Thank God for Ted, cause you could be flying mainline US.

I'd rather be in US mainline F than explus F or Ted E+. ;)

planemechanic Feb 12, 2007 4:32 am


Originally Posted by UrbaneGent (Post 7205731)
That is also a concern of mine and you see it all the time on the flights. The new outfitting of the seats isn't doesn't necessarily mean United must come up with the cash up-front. There are so many deals made. Just like when people complained about the repainting of the United livery, when they were in bankruptcy.

They planes had to be repainted, only they were repainted to be cheaper. If you look at the new "First" suite, the actual seats look like the old ones, don't they? I'm nervous they are going to use the old seats and put new cushion on them....

UG

The new seats are just that, new.

qasr Feb 12, 2007 6:51 am


Originally Posted by UNITED959 (Post 7205367)
Not making excuses for UA, but they are prepping to refit 97 aircraft with new First and Business class seating. That requires a few nickels.

I think it is related, too. When they introduce the new seating in F & C, they will bring back some of the things they cut to make the new product seem even more impressive by comparison. If I was just a little less cynical, I'd think they are going to even add a few bells & whistles...

rfrost Feb 12, 2007 7:05 am

Having recently flown AA several times, I'm not sure I buy into the comparison, at least as far as domestic is concerned. I haven't seen any snacks in Y on AA, I've only seen pillows occasionally in F, and those dirty red blankets are in Y far fewer and farther between than on any UA flight I can remember.

lucky9876coins Feb 12, 2007 7:34 am

Just curious: UA cut fruit plates on Asian flights? When was this announced, and what exactly does this entail?

I see where the OP is coming from, but I would not say that AA is getting better either, for the most part. They also cut snacks in Y, like UA, as well as some other things. Heck, IIRC they don't even have pillows in Y domestically (not that any FT'er would use those horridly dirty specimens).;)

par Feb 12, 2007 7:54 am


Originally Posted by blueman2 (Post 7205296)
The real issue is whether they are cutting so much that people will start to go to other airlines. If passengers do not leave, then UA is doing the right thing for its shareholders. If passengers start to leave, then I am sure they will reverse their thinking.

UA is by no means out of the woods yet. Their cost structure (mostly salaries) remains a bit high.

so i guess it's fair to say that we are paying for the salaries with our lunches and breakfasts?

jef7 Feb 12, 2007 8:50 am


Originally Posted by unitedbusiness (Post 7205198)
On the flipside, AA has continually added to its on-board service in recent months, as part of its Invest to Impress plan (including a hot breakfast in C from the US to Europe, new C entrees, savory mints, new cocktail snacks, pre-arrival sparkling water with fruit garnish, Ghirardelli chocolates, among others).

Sorry, but if some of these things listed here will entail future enhancements on UA's on-board service, I will not be seriously impressed. I could care less for chocolate, mints and water with garnish. Focus on 'real' improvements. Get your upcoming C seats right to begin with (flat). Sustain the current sizes and quality of main entrees/salad/dessert to their former glory (no more countable wilted lettuce pretending to be salad please). And with your upcoming new premium seats, focus on service, so that it will be consistently good. No amount of Ghirardelli chocolates can hide mediocre service.

Focus on 'real' improvements.

pinniped Feb 12, 2007 10:16 am

I don't know...AA used to be the premium product, with MRTC in the back of the bus and the highest spend per passenger on food/bev among U.S. carriers in premium cabins. In my admittedly limited experience, they have slashed service in premium cabins in recent years and pulled MRTC altogether.

At least United has remained steadfast with E+ to the point where they continue to speak well of it to investors as being a profitable feature. And UA is about to retrofit many J/F seats, so I don't think all is lost.

Certainly don't want to see them cut anything out - and I'd love to see the "small touches" because they've been so sorely lacking for so long - but we should keep it in perspective. I will have 2 transatlantic J trips later this year, and they will probably both be on UA metal. I don't perceive AA as having a significantly better product. (If we were talking about non-U.S. carriers, it might be a different discussion.)

vandalby Feb 12, 2007 12:06 pm

As much as I'd like to see UA continually improve amenities, what do you think the shareholders (i.e. owners) would like to see. Profit in their pockets or more chocolate squares and bags of snack mix on tray tables?

We live in a quarter to quarter world and public companies don't really have the luxury of thinking much farther ahead than that. I'm sure someone at UA is balancing the ratio of what amenities need to be provided before enough travelers stop flying UA to decrease profits. Obviously, they've been doing a pretty good job the past 2 quarters. Unfortunately, airline travel is going to become more and more like riding the bus.

DasKitty Feb 12, 2007 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 7208239)
I don't know...AA used to be the premium product, with MRTC in the back of the bus and the highest spend per passenger on food/bev among U.S. carriers in premium cabins. In my admittedly limited experience, they have slashed service in premium cabins in recent years and pulled MRTC altogether.

At least United has remained steadfast with E+ to the point where they continue to speak well of it to investors as being a profitable feature. And UA is about to retrofit many J/F seats, so I don't think all is lost.

Certainly don't want to see them cut anything out - and I'd love to see the "small touches" because they've been so sorely lacking for so long - but we should keep it in perspective. I will have 2 transatlantic J trips later this year, and they will probably both be on UA metal. I don't perceive AA as having a significantly better product. (If we were talking about non-U.S. carriers, it might be a different discussion.)

I think you are right, pinniped - I recall many threads on the AA forum starting about 2-3 years ago bemoaning the cuts in services taking place. Good for AA to be adding some back, of course...I hope qasr was correct and UA is waiting for the new J/F seat unveiling to bring back many of the "enhancements" we've come to expect and love. :)

Here's wishing the flash of new seats doesn't blind UA to the need for focus on their soft product...if I was a UGS I'd need to see serious commitment to that area to justify my continued spend. But hey - I'm just a 1P, so I can only dream of UGS.

DenverBrian Feb 12, 2007 1:38 pm

I can give up food, even the faux food of pretzels, if I could just have some technology on my flights. UA used to excel in this area, but they have now fallen far behind.

Give me a power port and HSIA at my seat and you can even take away the drinks.

(Don't you touch Channel 9, though.)


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