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boifromtroy Jan 18, 2007 10:19 am

I'll just throw this out there for consideration, but maybe the reason UA only allows the lap fare discount from the $11,000 C ticket is that they want to discourage infants in the C cabin?

I know if I were sat anywhere near an infant having paid for a C seat, I would be irate.

Dr_wanderlust Jan 18, 2007 10:21 am


Originally Posted by boifromtroy (Post 7042794)
I'll just throw this out there for consideration, but maybe the reason UA only allows the lap fare discount from the $11,000 C ticket is that they want to discourage infants in the C cabin?

I know if I were sat anywhere near an infant having paid for a C seat, I would be irate.

that would make sense to some extent. I've seen very quiet babies on flights too though. and then there was the F class breast feeding mother who also CHANGED A DIAPER in F (on the floor) and the FA did nothing. but that is a different rant :)

SAT Lawyer Jan 18, 2007 10:28 am


Originally Posted by boifromtroy (Post 7042794)
I'll just throw this out there for consideration, but maybe the reason UA only allows the lap fare discount from the $11,000 C ticket is that they want to discourage infants in the C cabin?

If true, then perhaps UA should charge 1,000,000 percent of the full fare rather than 10 percent, no?

It's 10 percent of full first class, 10 percent of full business class, and 10 percent of full coach class, so its not really a deliberate attempt to price infant travelers out of the premium cabins.

flyinryan Jan 18, 2007 10:30 am


Originally Posted by boifromtroy (Post 7042794)
I'll just throw this out there for consideration, but maybe the reason UA only allows the lap fare discount from the $11,000 C ticket is that they want to discourage infants in the C cabin?

I know if I were sat anywhere near an infant having paid for a C seat, I would be irate.

Why should premium cabin pax be discouraged from bringing their babies?

rar indeed Jan 18, 2007 10:33 am


Originally Posted by flyinryan (Post 7042863)
Why should premium cabin pax be discouraged from bringing their babies?

It degrades the integrity of the premium cabins.

ksmith142 Jan 18, 2007 10:40 am


Originally Posted by flyinryan (Post 7042656)
This still does not clear up how you flew SFO-FCO via ORD.

United does not fly ORD-FCO, or currently, to anywhere in Italy.

Am I the only one who is really :confused: ?

Count me in the confused column.

Whether or not you are a baby hater --- we still have a mystery on our hands -- how did the OP get to FCO "on UA"?

flyinryan Jan 18, 2007 10:48 am


Originally Posted by ksmith142 (Post 7042919)
Count me in the confused column...we still have a mystery on our hands -- how did the OP get to FCO "on UA"?

Jeez, thank you, I thought I was the only one who wanted to know! There are still some gaps to be filled in this travelogue, methinks.

jsgoldbe Jan 18, 2007 10:50 am

No longer on-topic
 

Originally Posted by flyinryan (Post 7042863)
Why should premium cabin pax be discouraged from bringing their babies?


Originally Posted by rar indeed (Post 7042878)
It degrades the integrity of the premium cabins.


Originally Posted by Dr_wanderlust (Post 7042806)
that would make sense to some extent. I've seen very quiet babies on flights too though. and then there was the F class breast feeding mother who also CHANGED A DIAPER in F (on the floor) and the FA did nothing. but that is a different rant :)


Originally Posted by boifromtroy (Post 7042794)
I know if I were sat anywhere near an infant having paid for a C seat, I would be irate.

This thread is no longer on topic. Perhaps a mod could clean it up or close it.

And for the record ... there are many things that devalue a premium cabin (or "degrage its integrity," as rar indeed puts it), and babies (especially well-entertained, quiet ones) are usually at the bottom of this list (drunk/loud businessmen, chatty NRSAs, poor service, lackluster wine/champers selection, incorrect meal choice priority, cold nuts, etc.).

jhayes_1780 Jan 18, 2007 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Dr_wanderlust (Post 7042806)
and then there was the F class breast feeding mother who also CHANGED A DIAPER in F (on the floor) and the FA did nothing. but that is a different rant :)

***Disclaimer... slightly off topice but UA related, and for information only (so don't flame me). I understand the feding thing, hopefully she was somewhat discrete about it (but the baby does have to eat), but where else should she do it? The cockpit? Now, RE the diaper in F.... I had to do this in F for little 1780..... why? Because UA doesn't have changing tables in the lavs on 763 (domestic), 752, 733, and the 735's! Blame UA on that one not the mom.

90minfromJFK-CDG Jan 18, 2007 10:53 am

Add me to the list flyinryan, where's the OP. I want to hear more about this phantom UA flight that he took to FCO...

flyinryan Jan 18, 2007 10:56 am


Originally Posted by flyinryan
Why should premium cabin pax be discouraged from bringing their babies?


This thread is no longer on topic. Perhaps a mod could clean it up or close it.

Well, the thread is about babies and their ticket price as it relates to the cabin that they fly in. I respectfully disagree with you.

Dr_wanderlust Jan 18, 2007 11:03 am


Originally Posted by jsgoldbe (Post 7042986)
This thread is no longer on topic. Perhaps a mod could clean it up or close it.

And for the record ... there are many things that devalue a premium cabin (or "degrage its integrity," as rar indeed puts it), and babies (especially well-entertained, quiet ones) are usually at the bottom of this list (drunk/loud businessmen, chatty NRSAs, poor service, lackluster wine/champers selection, incorrect meal choice priority, cold nuts, etc.).

excuse me by why is my comment on your list? I clearly said "that would make sense to some extent. I've seen very quiet babies on flights too though."

Karan97 Jan 18, 2007 11:07 am


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer (Post 7042596)
Couldn't disagree with you more. The two times my wife and I have flown with our infant son, we have taken him as a lap child. Given his age, we would have wound up holding him in our arms during most of the flight even if we had bought him a seat, so I saw no reason to shell out additional money for unnecessary additional real estate. Even if both trips were on $109 UA mistake fares. ;)

I, for one, agree with the original poster that charging 10 percent of a full fare for international travel with a lap child is often excessive. Contrary to what other posters have suggested, lap children do not consume many resources. Their weight is extremely nominal, meaning that any added fuel cost to the airline of carrying the infant is de minimis. They don't consume the catered meals. They don't offset a sizable portion of any ticket cost by drinking copious amounts of alcohol. Sure, the flight attendant might be asked to provide the family with some water or juice every few hours, but that's hardly a major imposition and certainly doesn't bring with it significant cost.

If I don't require a bassinet and am willing to suffer any misery associated with having my child on my lap throughout the flight, I don't think the airline should charge me anything for that "privilege." Furthermore, to the extent that UA insists upon charging 10 percent of the value of a full fare ticket in the cabin of travel, it should be willing to offer a discounted award at 10 percent of the regular miles for lap children. Otherwise, the value of using one's hard-earned miles for premium cabin travel can easily be erased by the hefty cost of transporting junior on a lap.


Well put SAT. Obviously mahasamatman either doesn't have kids or hasn't flown with any. It is much safer to hold the infant in your lap as they wouldn't be able to support themselves in the sligtest of disturbances.

Interest thread header though .. 'Babies the most profitable segment at UAL?'. I think they might be.

Dr_wanderlust Jan 18, 2007 11:07 am


Originally Posted by jhayes_1780 (Post 7043001)
***Disclaimer... slightly off topice but UA related, and for information only (so don't flame me). I understand the feding thing, hopefully she was somewhat discrete about it (but the baby does have to eat), but where else should she do it? The cockpit? Now, RE the diaper in F.... I had to do this in F for little 1780..... why? Because UA doesn't have changing tables in the lavs on 763 (domestic), 752, 733, and the 735's! Blame UA on that one not the mom.

feeding is not a big deal to me. I didn't need to mention that. the diaper change was completly out of the blue. she just kneeled down and started removing a stinky one in front of the other pax. the FA watched. this was on a CRJ. only 20 minutes before landing!! this IMHO was the mom's fault. this pax was a free up from Y by the FA. the FA went to Y and offered a F seat for the mother. at the time I thought that was a kind gesture (from skyworst no less) until the mother decided I would want to see and smell her child's processed food.

90minfromJFK-CDG Jan 18, 2007 11:26 am


Originally Posted by Karan97 (Post 7043112)
Well put SAT. Obviously mahasamatman either doesn't have kids or hasn't flown with any. It is much safer to hold the infant in your lap as they wouldn't be able to support themselves in the sligtest of disturbances.

Za? :confused: I don't think the issue is the comfort of the parent with the lapchild, I would assume the issue would be the fact that a child that is not strapped into an appropriate car seat would become a projectile in case of severe turbulence or the like. Quite frankly most people don't really care about the safety of your child, they care about it becoming a projectile and harming them.

Additionally, I can't actually believe that you think it's safer to hold your child in your arms instead of a car seat. I'm literally shocked.


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