ex-LHR BA/VS battle
Aug 30, 2005, 3:51 pm
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ex-LHR BA/VS battle
I see from the BA and VS boards that both these carriers are launching there september sales tomorrow. Prices look extremely good with most north american routes coming in at £199/299inc tax!
Will UA follow and offer similar sale fares? Im a devoted *A and UA flyer but these fares are hard to beat! I'll hold off to see if UA do something similar. They usually offer good deals this time of year.
Will UA follow and offer similar sale fares? Im a devoted *A and UA flyer but these fares are hard to beat! I'll hold off to see if UA do something similar. They usually offer good deals this time of year.
Aug 31, 2005, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by lmckenna
I see from the BA and VS boards that both these carriers are launching there september sales tomorrow. Prices look extremely good with most north american routes coming in at £199/299inc tax!
Will UA follow and offer similar sale fares? Im a devoted *A and UA flyer but these fares are hard to beat! I'll hold off to see if UA do something similar. They usually offer good deals this time of year.
Will UA follow and offer similar sale fares? Im a devoted *A and UA flyer but these fares are hard to beat! I'll hold off to see if UA do something similar. They usually offer good deals this time of year.
Boy, I really hope so! Usually Labor Day has been the time when past fall sale fares have been announced...
and I assume you meant $299+ tax, not "inc tax," right? I'm sure there will be deals, but maybe not THAT good...
Aug 31, 2005, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by lmckenna
Will UA follow and offer similar sale fares? Im a devoted *A and UA flyer but these fares are hard to beat!
Greetings - Dirk
Aug 31, 2005, 8:25 am
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Or even only minutes;-)):
Von: London, England, (LON-Alle Flughäfen)
Nach: New York, USA (NYC-Alle Flughäfen)
Basispreiscode: WLXNN17W
LONNYC-UA 1SEP05 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE W800
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
WLXNN17W R 126.00 230.17 ADT EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 84.00 154.21 CNN EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN33 R 84.00 154.21 INS EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN90 R 12.00 23.01 INF EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 84.00 154.21 UNN EX AT
BOOKING CODES W
FIRST TRAVEL -31AUG05 LAST TICKETING -27SEP05
SEASONS - 01NOV05-15DEC05 DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
01JAN06-31MAR06 DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
PENALTIES - CANCEL-NON REF BEFORE DEPART
TKT NON REF
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES BEFORE DEPART
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
DAY/TIME - MON THRU THU ALL DAY
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
ADV RES/TKT - TKTG WITHIN 72 HOURS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
MIN STAY - RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER 12:01A AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
MAX STAY - 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - 45.00 USD FUEL PER DIRECTION
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
STOPOVERS - NOT PERMITTED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - ANY UA FLIGHT UA OP CXR LH ANY FLIGHT VIA
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 33 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 33 PCT WITH SEAT
1ST INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
UNN 5-11 YRS 33 PCT UNACCOMPANIED
OTHER DISC - NONE
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - TKT ON/BEFORE 27SEP05
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NONREF/NONEND/NO CHANGES
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 4149 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING 105 FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-
TO WAS-UA-NYC*
FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-
TO NYC*
Nonstops run at about 345€ with taxes.
Greetings - Dirk
Von: London, England, (LON-Alle Flughäfen)
Nach: New York, USA (NYC-Alle Flughäfen)
Basispreiscode: WLXNN17W
LONNYC-UA 1SEP05 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE W800
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
WLXNN17W R 126.00 230.17 ADT EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 84.00 154.21 CNN EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN33 R 84.00 154.21 INS EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN90 R 12.00 23.01 INF EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 84.00 154.21 UNN EX AT
BOOKING CODES W
FIRST TRAVEL -31AUG05 LAST TICKETING -27SEP05
SEASONS - 01NOV05-15DEC05 DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
01JAN06-31MAR06 DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
PENALTIES - CANCEL-NON REF BEFORE DEPART
TKT NON REF
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES BEFORE DEPART
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
DAY/TIME - MON THRU THU ALL DAY
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
ADV RES/TKT - TKTG WITHIN 72 HOURS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
MIN STAY - RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER 12:01A AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
MAX STAY - 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - 45.00 USD FUEL PER DIRECTION
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
STOPOVERS - NOT PERMITTED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - ANY UA FLIGHT UA OP CXR LH ANY FLIGHT VIA
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 33 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 33 PCT WITH SEAT
1ST INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
UNN 5-11 YRS 33 PCT UNACCOMPANIED
OTHER DISC - NONE
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - TKT ON/BEFORE 27SEP05
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NONREF/NONEND/NO CHANGES
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 4149 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING 105 FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-
TO WAS-UA-NYC*
FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-
TO NYC*
Nonstops run at about 345€ with taxes.
Greetings - Dirk
Aug 31, 2005, 8:37 am
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I see a fare of GBP235 inc tax for LHR - JFK in November. In September it's 50 quid more.
Is this what you're talking about? It seems to be the same fare that VS and BA have, but it's not that cheap, is it?
Is this what you're talking about? It seems to be the same fare that VS and BA have, but it's not that cheap, is it?
Aug 31, 2005, 9:03 am
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The fares aren't THAT cheap, but better than what was published a few days back. UA has not matched yet, but you can book the LH codes on UA metal. Only standby upgrades in that case of course 
Aug 31, 2005, 9:55 am
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UA HAS matched, and I think the base-fare of $338 for LON-LAX is pretty decent. The problem is that taxes and (fuel-) surcharges that drive the fare considerably up...this fare ends up being $420 after fuel-addons and plus another $100 for taxes - totals at about $520 after everything has trickled in.
Still a decent fare in my opinion for West Coast ex-Europe, and with some creative routing (like LHR-ORD-EWR-ORD-DEN-LAX or something) you get some 14k miles before any applicable bonusses (or 3.6 miles per status-mile). RDM-miles are even better with bonus applied...
From: London, England (LON-All Airports)
To: Los Angeles, CA (LAX-Los Angeles Intl.)
Fare Basis Code: WLXNN17W
LONLAX-UA 1SEP05 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE W800
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
WLXNN17W R 185.00 337.95 ADT EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 123.00 226.42 CNN EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN33 R 123.00 226.42 INS EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN90 R 18.00 33.79 INF EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 123.00 226.42 UNN EX AT
BOOKING CODES W
FIRST TRAVEL -31AUG05 LAST TICKETING -27SEP05
SEASONS - 01NOV05-15DEC05
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
01JAN06-31MAR06
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
PENALTIES - CANCEL-NON REF BEFORE DEPART
TKT NON REF
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES BEFORE DEPART
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
DAY/TIME - MON THRU THU ALL DAY
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
ADV RES/TKT - TKTG WITHIN 72 HOURS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
MIN STAY - RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER 12:01A AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
MAX STAY - 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - 45.00 USD FUEL PER DIRECTION
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
STOPOVERS - NOT PERMITTED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - ANY UA FLIGHT UA OP CXR LH ANY FLIGHT VIA
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 33 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 33 PCT WITH SEAT
1ST INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
UNN 5-11 YRS 33 PCT UNACCOMPANIED
OTHER DISC - NONE
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - TKT ON/BEFORE 27SEP05
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NONREF/NONEND/NO CHANGES
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 6530 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING 105 FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-WAS-
UA-EWR/NYC-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-WAS-UA-EWR/NYC-UA-
OR FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-EWR/
NYC-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-EWR/NYC-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-NYC-
UA-PHL/PIT/CLT-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-NYC-UA-PHL/PIT/CLT-UA-
Greetings - Dirk
Still a decent fare in my opinion for West Coast ex-Europe, and with some creative routing (like LHR-ORD-EWR-ORD-DEN-LAX or something) you get some 14k miles before any applicable bonusses (or 3.6 miles per status-mile). RDM-miles are even better with bonus applied...
From: London, England (LON-All Airports)
To: Los Angeles, CA (LAX-Los Angeles Intl.)
Fare Basis Code: WLXNN17W
LONLAX-UA 1SEP05 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE W800
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
WLXNN17W R 185.00 337.95 ADT EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 123.00 226.42 CNN EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN33 R 123.00 226.42 INS EX AT
WLXNN17W/IN90 R 18.00 33.79 INF EX AT
WLXNN17W/CH33 R 123.00 226.42 UNN EX AT
BOOKING CODES W
FIRST TRAVEL -31AUG05 LAST TICKETING -27SEP05
SEASONS - 01NOV05-15DEC05
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
01JAN06-31MAR06
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
PENALTIES - CANCEL-NON REF BEFORE DEPART
TKT NON REF
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES BEFORE DEPART
CHANGE-NO CHANGE TO RES AFTER DEPART
FOR ALL CONDITIONS SEE TEXT RULE
DAY/TIME - MON THRU THU ALL DAY
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
ADV RES/TKT - TKTG WITHIN 72 HOURS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ALL SEGMENTS
MUST BE CONFIRMED
MIN STAY - RETURN FIRST SUNDAY AFTER 12:01A AFTER
DEPARTURE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
MAX STAY - 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM ORIGIN
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - 45.00 USD FUEL PER DIRECTION
DEPARTURE EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
STOPOVERS - NOT PERMITTED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - ANY UA FLIGHT UA OP CXR LH ANY FLIGHT VIA
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 33 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 33 PCT WITH SEAT
1ST INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
UNN 5-11 YRS 33 PCT UNACCOMPANIED
OTHER DISC - NONE
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - TKT ON/BEFORE 27SEP05
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - ORIGINAL/REISSUED TKT -
NONREF/NONEND/NO CHANGES
MUST APPEAR IN ENDORSEMENT BOX
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 6530 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XPN - INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING 105 FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-WAS-
UA-EWR/NYC-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-WAS-UA-EWR/NYC-UA-
OR FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-EWR/
NYC-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-EWR/NYC-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-LH/UA-DUS/MUC/FRA-UA-NYC-
UA-PHL/PIT/CLT-UA-WAS-UA-
OR FROM LON-UA-NYC-UA-PHL/PIT/CLT-UA-
Greetings - Dirk
Aug 31, 2005, 1:46 pm
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Not quite as good as the specials, but I got a W fare BOS-LHR on UA for $497 all in with a 10% off promo code.
Aug 31, 2005, 4:24 pm
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I just repriced two JFK-LHR roundtrips I'd purchased early in August, and they both came out slightly higher (though in one case one leg went from W to V.)
Sep 1, 2005, 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by djohannw
and with some creative routing (like LHR-ORD-EWR-ORD-DEN-LAX or something) you get some 14k miles before any applicable bonusses
Sep 1, 2005, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by lmckenna
May i ask, how do you create a routing like that? I can only manage to get united.com to give 1 connection eg LHR-SFO-LAX. Even when i select "2+ connections" in the advanced flight search.