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Do you buy a higher fare-class (Y, B, U, H, M) solely to increase SWU/CR-1 chances?

 
Old Feb 8, 12, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
First:
Instant upgrades for GS, 1K, 0P (Y, B, M), Instant upgrades for 1P, 2P (Y or B)

Then:
1) GS using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y, b, or m or they would have already instant upgraded)
2) GS using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
3) GS - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

4) 1K using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y, b, or m or they would have already instant upgraded)
5) 1K using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
6) 1K - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

7) Platinum / 0P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y, b, or m or they would have already instant upgraded)
8) Platinum / 0P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
9) Platinum / 0P - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

10) 1P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y or b or they would have already instant upgraded)
11) 1P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
12) 1P - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

13) 2P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y or b or they would have already instant upgraded)
14) 2P using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
15) 2P - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

16) GM using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a high fare bucket (not y or b or they would have already instant upgraded)
17) GM using GPU, RPU, or miles to upgrade in a lower fare bucket
18) GM - If fare bucket is the same, then date supported upgrade added to waitlist

And finally:
After all of the above upgrades have cleared, then CPU system kicks in.
We have no knowledge of sponsor cases (GM with SWU), so tough to say whether those would slot in with the GM with Miles upgrades or with the sponsor's status.

Your instant upgrades are backwards - it's by fare then status.

Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
Is the 'Instant Upgrade' categorized as a CPU?
That's how they are listed on the site.
Edit: Yep, you just saw that. We have dueling edits going on
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Old Feb 8, 12, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by bmvaughn View Post
Edit: Yep, you just saw that. We have dueling edits going on
Touche!

Is this correct?
Instant upgrades for all Y tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all B tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all M tickets (ordered by status - GS and 1K only)


One last question: Where is the list of fare classes ordered in the way UA will look at them to determine upgrade priority?

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Old Feb 8, 12, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
Touche!

Is this correct?
Instant upgrades for all Y tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all B tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all M tickets (ordered by status - GS and 1K only)
Yep!

Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
One last question: Where is the list of fare classes ordered in the way UA will look at them to determine upgrade priority?
Good question - I bet you could infer from the mileage earning pages for PMUA/PMCO:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,3122,00.html
http://www.continental.com/CMS/en-US...ntinental.aspx

J, C, D, Z (for BusinessFirst -> GlobalFirst upgrades, only GPUs/RPUs on Z)
Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, W, S, T, L, K, G
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Old Feb 8, 12, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by bmvaughn View Post
Good question - I bet you could infer from the mileage earning pages for PMUA/PMCO:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,3122,00.html
http://www.continental.com/CMS/en-US...ntinental.aspx

J, C, D, Z (for BusinessFirst -> GlobalFirst upgrades, only GPUs/RPUs on Z)
Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, W, S, T, L, K, G
Looking at the link you posted - http://www.mileageplusmergerupdates....verview?#chart

In the notes at the bottom they list: 'For regions with a ✔*, Global Premier Upgrades are ineligible for fare classes Z P S T K L G N'

So it looks like N and P should be on the list somewhere..

We'll wait for Seth to answer...
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Old Feb 8, 12, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky View Post
I'm glad I'm not part of the SWU lottery anymore, because it seems to create very fuzzy thinking. The difference in some of the fare classes, over, say, K or L, can be huge. Take SFO-SYD as an example. You can often get a K class ticket for $1100 or so, while an upgrade-possible fare might run $2300 (or more). That's $1200 difference. Why would someone pay more for an SWU-capable fare than a cheap fare plus 2*co-pay? The miles are almost insignificant (20k each way).

Obviously, there will be times when a high fare class is all that's available, but otherwise, what's the point? Save the SWUs for flights where you don't have a choice (but to buy a high fare) and use miles+copay for the rest. What am I missing?

(And yes, my year as a 1K, I bought a higher-fare SFO-LHR ticket for my wife and I so we could play the lottery. We lost. But at least it was just $150 extra per ticket, so had we won, we would have been well ahead)
Just did UA840 (SYD-LAX) on a K class fare and miles + copay. The upgrade cleared and the cost was $600 and I am out of pocket for 30,000 miles. On a return flight on this route (copay=60,000 miles + $1200) I don't think the thinking is very fuzzy, personally I am doing much better with the SWU lottery...
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post

First:
Instant upgrades for all Y tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all B tickets (ordered by status - GS, 1K, 0P, 1P, 2P)
Instant upgrades for all M tickets (ordered by status - GS and 1K only)
I guess Instant Upgrade means only when NF or NC space is available, correct?
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:38 am
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Based on the more recent Upgrade benefits in the 2012 MileagePlus program (and this matches what was posted on the preview site before it was shutdown)

On these flights, our upgrade hierarchy will be:
•Global Services (all upgrade types)
•Instant upgrades that weren't confirmed in advance, on select Economy tickets, sorted by fare class, then status
•Global Premier Upgrades, Regional Premier Upgrades, and Mileage Upgrade Awards, sorted by status, fare class and date of waitlist
•All remaining Premier members, by status, then fare class
All GS (on any fare -- but GS tend to be full fare) are ahead of everyone
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:42 am
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Is this fare class list up to date?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-each-one.html


A = Discounted Fare First Class. Round The World First is booked in this class.
B = Almost Full Fare Economy with minimal restrictions - also used Star * RTW
C = Full Fare Unrestricted Business Class
D = Discounted Fare Business - used also on all "Business" Class Star RTW fares
E = 'Ted' and some low web/discount fares from early 2005. Now officially elevated to above H class!
F = Full Fare Unrestricted First Class
G = Travel Industry Economy Class fares. Feb 2011 rolled out on many lowball bookable coach fares.
H = Higher level Economy Class with few restrictions. Some "RTW" coach is H
I = Business Class Upgrade class from Economy (Better known as 'NC' class)
J = Supposedly Full Fare Business to replace 'C/D' - but C/D still very active as at July 2010 update.
K = Seasonal Economy heavy discount Promotional Fares/Reduced Fare Gov’t contract etc
L = Discount Fare Economy often with a lot of restrictions
M = Almost Full Fare Economy with very few restrictions
N = Economy Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XY' class)
O = Business Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XC' class)
P = Premium USA Transcon First Class on 3 classers
Q = Discount Economy with moderate restrictions. (Bereavement tix are often in Q)
R = First Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XF' class)
S = Real Lowball coach with lot of restrictions. Reports that some are not mile earning ex UK/Brazil etc.
T = Heavy discount Fare Economy - often with a lot of restrictions
U = Showed up Nov/03 as booking class for "TED" also in mid 2005 a high level mainline class!
V = "Mid level" Discount Fare Economy, often with quite a few restrictions
W = "Mid level" Discount Fare Economy, often with some restrictions
X = First Class UPGRADE AWARD from paid Business* (Better known as 'NF')
Y = Full Fare unrestricted Economy class - generally fully refundable
Z = Heavily discounted Business Class - generally NOT "legally" upgradeable.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by 1k650 View Post
I guess Instant Upgrade means only when NF or NC space is available, correct?
Nope. For Y class tickets, "space available" means any first class seat (F>0). For B and M class tickets, "space available" means any first class seat in the PN bucket (PN>0). PN is a subset of P (which is a discount first class fare).

However, both of these usually have much better availability than R/RN class (bucket for CPUs (old NC/NF)) on UA.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...-each-one.html


A = Discounted Fare First Class. Round The World First is booked in this class.
B = Almost Full Fare Economy with minimal restrictions - also used Star * RTW
C = Full Fare Unrestricted Business Class
D = Discounted Fare Business - used also on all "Business" Class Star RTW fares
E = 'Ted' and some low web/discount fares from early 2005. Now officially elevated to above H class!
F = Full Fare Unrestricted First Class
G = Travel Industry Economy Class fares. Feb 2011 rolled out on many lowball bookable coach fares.
H = Higher level Economy Class with few restrictions. Some "RTW" coach is H
I = Business Class Upgrade class from Economy (Better known as 'NC' class)
J = Supposedly Full Fare Business to replace 'C/D' - but C/D still very active as at July 2010 update.
K = Seasonal Economy heavy discount Promotional Fares/Reduced Fare Govít contract etc
L = Discount Fare Economy often with a lot of restrictions
M = Almost Full Fare Economy with very few restrictions
N = Economy Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XY' class)
O = Business Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XC' class)
P = Premium USA Transcon First Class on 3 classers
Q = Discount Economy with moderate restrictions. (Bereavement tix are often in Q)
R = First Class AWARD TICKET (Better known as 'XF' class)
S = Real Lowball coach with lot of restrictions. Reports that some are not mile earning ex UK/Brazil etc.
T = Heavy discount Fare Economy - often with a lot of restrictions
U = Showed up Nov/03 as booking class for "TED" also in mid 2005 a high level mainline class!
V = "Mid level" Discount Fare Economy, often with quite a few restrictions
W = "Mid level" Discount Fare Economy, often with some restrictions
X = First Class UPGRADE AWARD from paid Business* (Better known as 'NF')
Y = Full Fare unrestricted Economy class - generally fully refundable
Z = Heavily discounted Business Class - generally NOT "legally" upgradeable.
After March 3rd, the buckets will closely match the CO buckets, not the old UA buckets. Might want to read up here http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewan...he-new-united/. I thought sbm12 was planning on updating the FAQ at some point to display the new fare codes.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by Cuse44 View Post
Nope. For Y class tickets, "space available" means any first class seat (F>0). For B and M class tickets, "space available" means any first class seat in the PN bucket (PN>0). PN is a subset of P (which is a discount first class fare).

However, both of these usually have much better availability than R/RN class (bucket for CPUs (old NC/NF)) on UA.
PN is something new now (at least, it did not exist in legacy UA). What would be the business class equivalent?
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by bmvaughn View Post
The only thing I'm not sure about with that page is that most of the text talks about the timing for upgrades on CPU-eligible flights. Maybe they're all going to be the same, but it isn't 100% clear to me yet.
Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
So it looks like N and P should be on the list somewhere..

We'll wait for Seth to answer...


N is not in use. P is a discounted business class bucket but higher than Z. But since it is already in Business no CPUs there.
Originally Posted by 1k650 View Post
I guess Instant Upgrade means only when NF or NC space is available, correct?
You need PN for a B or M upgrade and JN for a Y upgrade.

That list is out of date now. Search for Alphabet Soup or read here for the new order, including crediting rates.
Originally Posted by Cuse44 View Post
For Y class tickets, "space available" means any first class seat (F>0).
Technically it is JN, but that should map 1:1 to F.

Originally Posted by 1k650 View Post
PN is something new now (at least, it did not exist in legacy UA). What would be the business class equivalent?
There is no instant-up from C->F. If you mean the SUW/miles inventory for C->F that should be ON for all customers.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA View Post
Based on the more recent Upgrade benefits in the 2012 MileagePlus program (and this matches what was posted on the preview site before it was shutdown)



All GS (on any fare -- but GS tend to be full fare) are ahead of everyone
Wow, so a GS using CPU would be ahead of a 1K using a RPU? That's unfortunate for the 1K.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by bmvaughn View Post
Wow, so a GS using CPU would be ahead of a 1K using a RPU? That's unfortunate for the 1K.
No, actually, that's fortunate for the GS, as it should be.
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Old Feb 9, 12, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by iluv2fly View Post
No, actually, that's fortunate for the GS, as it should be.
As only a GS could so eloquently put.
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