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Peninsula Jul 10, 11 1:44 pm

First Class: LH 340-300 vs. UA 767-300?
 
Does UA979 (ZRH-EWR) have First Suites? It's a 763. The UA website claims that First Suites are available on that aircraft but, you know, that could mean they're "in the process of installing them."

UA-NYC Jul 10, 11 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by Peninsula (Post 16703965)
Does UA979 (ZRH-EWR) have First Suites? It's a 763. The UA website claims that First Suites are available on that aircraft but, you know, that could mean they're "in the process of installing them."

All 763s are outfitted w/IPTE - it's only the 777s that are a tossup. 763 F suite is great. Almost as good as CO BF! ;)

Peninsula Jul 10, 11 2:09 pm

Ok, so First Class: LH 340-300 vs. UA 767-300?

IAHRyan Jul 10, 11 2:26 pm

Ex-FRA/MUC/ZRH LH F gets you FCL/FCT access. I dont know the status of LHs F refurbs though, so the hard product is probably better on the UA 763. If you check the M&M board they probably have more information on that bird.

Could probably go either way really.

fly747first Jul 10, 11 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by IAHRyan (Post 16704143)
Ex-FRA/MUC/ZRH LH F gets you FCL/FCT access. I dont know the status of LHs F refurbs though, so the hard product is probably better on the UA 763. If you check the M&M board they probably have more information on that bird.

Could probably go either way really.

Although most people would prefer the UA 767 F hard product, I don't like how angled the seats are on the 767 and also, on my last int'l flight, the 767 F seats already looked very worn, whereas LH takes much, much better care of its planes and the F soft product is light years ahead of UA's.

UA-NYC Jul 10, 11 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by fly747first (Post 16704542)
Although most people would prefer the UA 767 F hard product, I don't like how angled the seats are on the 767 and also, on my last int'l flight, the 767 F seats already looked very worn, whereas LH takes much, much better care of its planes and the F soft product is light years ahead of UA's.

You know both the C and the F seats on the UA 767 are perfectly flat, right?

Or maybe you're talking about how they're rotated at a slight angle in the cabin, not really sure...

FWIW in my LH F flight last week I had to manually force the seat back down to go flat, it was pretty beat up.

SFOTurtle Jul 10, 11 5:12 pm


Originally Posted by fly747first (Post 16704542)
Although most people would prefer the UA 767 F hard product, I don't like how angled the seats are on the 767 and also, on my last int'l flight, the 767 F seats already looked very worn, whereas LH takes much, much better care of its planes and the F soft product is light years ahead of UA's.

When was the last time you flew in a UA 763 with the new F seats? There is no angle in these seats at all since the conversions to the new F, and the conversions have all been done in the past few years, so seats presumably are still in excellent shape (not speaking from personal experience).

On the other hand, the FCT in FRA is great if you have enough time to enjoy it.

MatthewLAX Jul 10, 11 5:36 pm

I would base your decision on lounge access. If you'll have time for the lounge, go with Lufty, if not--I actually prefer the food and seat on UA instead. IFE is a toss-up and service is consistently inconsient on UA.

Read about my recent trip in United First on a 763 from IAD-FRA here.

And my Lufthansa A340 flight from Frankfurt to Denver here.

dinoscool3 Jul 10, 11 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 16704800)
You know both the C and the F seats on the UA 767 are perfectly flat, right?

Or maybe you're talking about how they're rotated at a slight angle in the cabin, not really sure...

FWIW in my LH F flight last week I had to manually force the seat back down to go flat, it was pretty beat up.

He was talking about the rotation I'm sure.



To the OP, I'd say LH, better lounge, and food.

rjque Jul 10, 11 6:21 pm

Not even close. Seats are comparable but LH is far more likely to be a pleasant experience, both in the air and on the ground.

dsquared37 Jul 10, 11 6:36 pm


Originally Posted by rjque (Post 16705122)
Not even close. Seats are comparable but LH is far more likely to be a pleasant experience, both in the air and on the ground.

While LH F wines and food pales in comparison with LX F it is, in turn, better than UA. And if you have the time to enjoy the lounge in MUC or FRA there is no reason to go with UA.

UNITED959 Jul 10, 11 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 16703974)
763 F suite is great. Almost as good as CO BF! ;)

Seriously? I don't care how much of a ra-ra CO fan anybody is (and we all know there's plenty drinking the COol-aid), there's no disputing that the UA F Suite is better than the CO BF seat. It's possible to argue the food and service, but not the seat/suite.

If the OP is absolutely, positively concerned about the hard product and sleeping, then UA is the obvious choice.

The old LH F seat, even with the new mattress pad they introduced in May 2011, is still not nearly as comfortable as the UA F suite.

Food and wine will be better on LH and, as others have said, using the FCL/FCT upon arrival at FRA is a nice treat.

If I had to fly EWR-ZRH and be chipper for work on the day of arrival, I'd no doubt would want to take UA so I could get as much rest as possible. UA also keeps cabins cooler than LH, and for me that's huge!

VTHokieFlyer Jul 10, 11 7:42 pm

I just flew JFK-FRA-MUC and return in C with JFK-FRA in F, I'd have to say I'd take United with the new seats over Lufthansa any day!

flyhen Jul 10, 11 7:52 pm

LH all the way! Flew in UA C and LH C from MUC to ORD, and yes, the hardware is neck to neck, but the extra friendliness of LH FA made the world of difference!

I remembered when flying UA, I got and stretched my legs, and just when I was approaching the 1st class curtain, ready to turn around and stroll back to the end of Eco class, the female FA stared at me and almost yelled at me (it was nappy time) with a murdurous tone "YOU CAN'T GO THERE!" "Yeah well, I am merely walking within C class stretching my legs, and if you have problems with that, you should quit your job, obviously inter-personal skills aren't something you know"

And I strolled back. What a schmuck!

UNITED959 Jul 10, 11 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by flyhen (Post 16705469)
LH all the way! Flew in UA C and LH C from MUC to ORD, and yes, the hardware is neck to neck, but the extra friendliness of LH FA made the world of difference!

True that LH more consistently has a friendlier crew, but again, if the OP is looking to sleep, he won't be interacting with the crew much so it's kind of a moot point. Seat/bed comfort would be a priority.


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