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Change to *A Award routing rules (Effective 11 FEB 2011)

Change to *A Award routing rules (Effective 11 FEB 2011)

 
Old Jun 14, 2011, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
^ Beautiful award! I think I need to book one myself!
I have a <24 connection in Prague, 3 days in Erbil, and a month and a half in Addis (also going to Somaliland and Djibouti). Pretty excited.

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Old Jun 14, 2011, 2:40 pm
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OK let me be the 100th person to say ^ to stopover and open jaw being allowed!

Great new feature.

I just ticketed
DXB-BKK on TG - C (stopover)
BKK-MNL on TG - C (destination)
MNL-SIN on SIN - C (connection)
SIN-AUH on SIN - C (destination)

$53.20 in tax only

Ticketed before June 15th, for it is 90k instead of 100k miles after June 15th. I was tempted to go with US air at only 75k miles, but they have the award booking fee and I have no status with them and my dates could easily change. As a result I'm holding this UA reservation and when my dates firm up I'll see if I can snag something from US air for only 75k.
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Old Jun 22, 2011, 8:23 am
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Just had a phone agent tell me that double open jaws were permitted only on all-UA metal itins and not on *A itins.... Thanks to this thread I knew that was wrong and pushed back -- he reluctantly "checked with a supervisor" and came back and said no dice... But by that point I'd also found the Star Alliance Award Rules page on dot bomb that directly confirmed it, and after a second check with supe he apologized and agreed

Just shows how critical it is to be informed!
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Old Jun 22, 2011, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Tracer_SEA
Just shows how critical it is to be informed!
Just talked to a second GS agent and he like the 1st was unaware of the change. I politely asked if he could double check and looked up the rules and was happy to book the stopover/open jaw combination for me. Definitely need to ask if they are still thinking under the old way!
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Old Sep 2, 2011, 12:18 am
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Award booking Aust-Europe-NA-Aust

I'm hoping to do a MileagePlus reward trip beginning/ending in SYD that has to take me to Germany and MCI (Kansas City). No other stops are needed and I have plenty of flexibility on connections. I assume it effectively has to be a Star Alliance award.

First question: How many miles will it cost? The best case would be that I can get it for the Aust-Europe price; worst case is RTW price. I briefly talked to a United agent on the phone here in Australia who said it has to be RTW because I'm stopping in 3 regions. After having pored over the forums here I feel confident that it should be possible to get this award booked for less than the RTW price, but I haven't seen any cases exactly like this - traveling from Australia with stops needed in Europe and NA.

Second question: I would really like to do the whole thing in business class. I will only have 110,000 miles earned but I'm happy to buy the remainder since business class around the world would be a pretty special experience for me. I'm wondering how realistic is it that I could get all the segments in business, and which carriers should I try to be on?

Third question: The trip would be next August for an event in Germany. The arrive/depart dates are flexible, it just has to include a certain week. How early can/should I start trying to make the booking? Would there be any advantage in waiting to book? What will my change options be and is it easy to switch to better flights as they become available?

Thanks. I hope this is in the right place since I couldn't find a Star Alliance award booking thread for MileagePlus.
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 8:27 pm
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Dear Ninewise,

I am not even close to as "in the know" as most people active on the forum, so please take the following responses with that in mind: (hope it helps)

1. As per the *A award chart Australia to Europe is 75K, Europe to NA is 50K, and NA to Australia is 67.5K which totals 192,500 miles for business class. RTW mile requirement seems to be 260K. I would just book one ways OZ-Eur, Eur-NA, and NA-OZ

2. So it looks like you would need to buy 82,500 miles more for the trip. If your dates are flexible +/-3 days or so, you should be able to get TG for SYD-BKK-FRA . They have lie flat seats on most of the aircraft (not 180 degrees though) but service is good.

Lots of choices from FRA/MUC to USA on LH. Again lie flat seats, but availability is good on this sector although you might have to watch out for Starnet blocking here.

The only consideration I have for NA-OZ is probably Air New Zealand. You could possibly do LAX-AKL-SYD.

3. Are you 1K or will you become 1K before around 60 days from the trip? If so, then I would make a tentative booking and then check with more ideal airlines and routes closer to the date (since as 1K fees are waived for changes or cancellations on award bookings). If you aren't, I've noticed 6 months out to be a healthy starting point.

Hope this helps,

pm

Dear FTers,

I tried to book the following award ticket with UA today:

Business class
01/17 BOM ZRH LX 155
01/17 ZRH ORD LX 8
01/17 ORD DEN UA 949 Arr: 6:36pm
01/18 DEN MSO UA 5521 Dep: 8:10am

1. The rep told me that it is not a valid routing and that if I want to use Denver I have to come in from IAD or directly from FRA. ORD-DEN cannot be used with BOM-ZRH-ORD. Where can this rule be found? I know this thread says something about "routing validation". So how do I validate a routing before checking?

2. She told me that the stop in DEN is illegal because it is more than 4 hours and DEN is a domestic stop. So I asked her that even if it is an international reservation a domestic stopover is defined as one if its greater than 4 hours? (not 24 hours?) -- and she said yes.

She also checked with her supervisor on both these things and came back to me with a confirmation that what she was saying is right.

I never have booked the ORD-DEN within a larger itinerary, so I can't speak to this experience. However, just under 7 months ago I booked an international itinerary with a 20 hours wait in DC and it was accepted by UA.

I would love to know a breakdown of the new rules that can help me figure out this issues.

Thank you,

pm

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Old Sep 7, 2011, 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by peace_meal
Dear FTers,

I tried to book the following award ticket with UA today:

Business class
01/17 BOM ZRH LX 155
01/17 ZRH ORD LX 8
01/17 ORD DEN UA 949 Arr: 6:36pm
01/18 DEN MSO UA 5521 Dep: 8:10am

1. The rep told me that it is not a valid routing and that if I want to use Denver I have to come in from IAD or directly from FRA. ORD-DEN cannot be used with BOM-ZRH-ORD. Where can this rule be found? I know this thread says something about "routing validation". So how do I validate a routing before checking?

2. She told me that the stop in DEN is illegal because it is more than 4 hours and DEN is a domestic stop. So I asked her that even if it is an international reservation a domestic stopover is defined as one if its greater than 4 hours? (not 24 hours?) -- and she said yes.
Both the flights arriving and departing DEN are domestic. But if it's the first eligible flight it should be fine even if it's >4h.
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by peace_meal
I tried to book the following award ticket with UA today:

Business class
01/17 BOM ZRH LX 155
01/17 ZRH ORD LX 8
01/17 ORD DEN UA 949 Arr: 6:36pm
01/18 DEN MSO UA 5521 Dep: 8:10am

1. The rep told me that it is not a valid routing and that if I want to use Denver I have to come in from IAD or directly from FRA. ORD-DEN cannot be used with BOM-ZRH-ORD. Where can this rule be found? I know this thread says something about "routing validation". So how do I validate a routing before checking?
Your proposed routing is well within the MPM and is valid:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.5.1/Diamond - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: BOM-ZRH-ORD-DEN-MSO]
Code:
                                                                
CTY   DC   TPM   CUM   MPM  DC SUR  HGL   LWL   25M  XTRA       
BOM 3                                                           
ZRH 2 EH  4064  4064  5088  EH  0M  1024     0  6360     0      
CHI 1 AT  4433  8497 10399  AT  0M  1902     0 12998     0      
DEN 1 US   903  9400 11307  AT  0M  1907     0 14133     0      
MSO 1 US   676 10076 11710  AT  0M  1634     0 14637     0
Originally Posted by peace_meal
2. She told me that the stop in DEN is illegal because it is more than 4 hours and DEN is a domestic stop. So I asked her that even if it is an international reservation a domestic stopover is defined as one if its greater than 4 hours? (not 24 hours?) -- and she said yes.
She was wrong again -- the international stopover rule applies to the entire itinerary.
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Old Sep 9, 2011, 12:45 am
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Thank you mduell and KVS. Will try again with another agent.
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Old Sep 9, 2011, 12:49 am
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Dear Ninewise, Ypu might have been wondering why I didn't include any UA flights for the last two regions. The main reason is that I have had absolutely no luck in getting their 747 or 767 new business cabins on saver award. If u are able to get them, then they would be better than LH or NZ.
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Old Sep 10, 2011, 5:08 pm
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So I called United today and there were absolutely no problems or hiccups in booking the last two sectors from ORD-DEN and DEN-MSO with the rep. I'm so glad I tried it again.

Last edited by peace_meal; Sep 10, 2011 at 5:09 pm Reason: grammar
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Old Sep 10, 2011, 6:03 pm
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Originally Posted by peace_meal
Dear Ninewise, Ypu might have been wondering why I didn't include any UA flights for the last two regions. The main reason is that I have had absolutely no luck in getting their 747 or 767 new business cabins on saver award. If u are able to get them, then they would be better than LH or NZ.
UA C better than NZ C? You're kidding, right? I don't know what routes your talking about, but if you're talking NZ long haul in Business Premier on their 777 or 744, I strongly disagree. Maybe one person in ten might prefer UA, and only because they're traveling with someone and like to be side by side -- inches away -- as opposed to across the aisle from one another. IMHO, the hard and soft product on NZ C is better than UA C, plus NZ doesn't have a habit of canceling flights and forcing you to stay over another day or at best re-route on other carriers like what seems to be fairly routine on UA int'l flights these days.

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Old Sep 12, 2011, 9:20 pm
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SFOTurtle - you are right in calling me out on that one. I didn't properly compare NZ LAX-AKL to UA LAX-SYD.

I have not flown LAX-AKL on NZ but I have done UA LAX-SYD which I thought was very good especially the private upper deck.

Ninewise - pls consider that I am not in the right position to compare NZ and UA, however what you would get with UA on your return is a non-stop to SYD from USA and fairly new hard product on their 747. I enjoyed it.

LH however has an old C config (not flat bed) and I stick by UA new reconfigs being better than present LH TATL routes.

Thanks SFOTurtle for pointing the NZ thing out.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 4:05 pm
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I am looking to book a friend's honeymoon trip to India from SF, using my miles. They would like to incorporate a stopover in Dubai. It doesn't necessarily have to more than 24hrs, although it would be nice to have the option. I'm not sure if this can be done, since there are no *A airlines that fly between Dubai and India, so any routing would include significant backtracking, through Europe most likely. Would a routing like DXB-IST-India or DXB-CAI-India work, or does any possible indirect routing exceed MPM? TIA
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by aau
Would a routing like DXB-IST-India or DXB-CAI-India work, or does any possible indirect routing exceed MPM? TIA
SFO-FRA-DXB/DXB-IST-DEL/DEL-EWR-SFO is a valid route on co.com - so I dont see why not. 120,000 miles, just book online, use multicity.
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