Anyone Remember This?
 

1964: UNITED AIR LINES Network


Originally from airlineroute.net (none of the work is mine).

I notice a there was a pseudo hub in ATL and BWI. UA also had a presence in the south. Yes this was during regulation but it is still interesting to me.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting it. Some non-obvious city pairs!

Buffalo to Rochester? Must have been a 10 minute flight. Funny - growing up in BUF, and going to college in ROC, I do vaguely remember taking this flight once, but i think it was to pick up pax on route to next stop.

but then again, i did also fly SFO-OAK once on UA!

And if I read the listing correctly, BWI to DCA. Can that be more than 30 air miles?

For awhile in the 90s, they had SFO-SJC via shuttlebus. It earned RDMs!

It went into June 2002. It made for some nice deals. ;)

I can't even remember if I even mentioned this past back in March 2009 when I did the list. But I thought it'd be interesting to mention it again on twitter when I was doing some blog format changes today.

Based on the Aug 1964 North American OAG, BWI DCA block time is 25 minutes, BWI IAD (DIA at the time) is 42 minutes. BUF ROC is 24 minutes

this was back in the day when the airlines did not have to worry about profit.

I remember that shuttle bus!~ I booked a flight to ORD/SFO/SJC only to learn it was a shuttle bus on the day of the flight! Got stuck in traffic and never made that mistake again! lol :cool:

US currently flies BUF-ROC. It's listed as 40 minutes.

I love commercial aviation history. :)

UA also once operated a hub in CLE, but it was dismantled by the time I started flying, in 1989 (LAX-IAD on a DC10). Interesting too is that UA had always had a small presence in NYC and MIA, factors that I believe led to the failure of the efforts to build hubs at each location later on.

Oftentimes the flights were cheaper to book from SJC than SFO. It was also possible to skip the bus and just show up at SFO for your flight. Sometimes 101N was a standstill as northsideguy mentioned so it was common for people to skip the bus ride and get to SFO by other means--yet you still got the EQMs.

Not really. They just did not purchase airlines in the those areas. AA had no presance in MIA until they bought the Eastern south american routes and hub assets. AA went south UA went to Asia. It's all who they bought. AA also has the NYC city presance bascailly because they bought the TWA LHR routes. DL bought Pan Am routes.

All in what they bought, simple as that.



All in

Agreed in some respects, disagree in others. Pan Am's "LAMER" assets that UA bought did not come with significant domestic feed -- PA was not allowed to fly domestically until late in the regulated era, and it never fully worked out the merger with National. OTOH, Eastern's LAMER network was much better developed, including the crucial NYC-MIA market, with which AA took good advantage of.

AA was headquartered in New York until deregulation. It had always had a large presence in the local NYC market, albeit based in LGA, with a much larger customer base compared to UA. Thus AA did not develop JFK solely on the backs of TWA's LHR slots.

Wow, Akron to Cleveland? That's just a regular daily commute to some!

. There even was a DC-10 flight from SJC to SFO ( originated in ORD)

40 min gate to gate, maybe. ;)

Cool stuff... BOS to Hartford... time in air must of been like 15 minutes tops.

Boston to Providence!

In 1964 I flew the Baltimore (BAL back then) to Washington National (DCA) flight listed- a DC6B-- to connect to an EAL Lockheed Electra to North Carolina.

I was an unaccompanied minor and a UA agent met me at the gate in DCA and took me to the UAL employees lounge where I waited until it was time to board the Eastern flight. I think I may still have the ticket somewhere.

More old United routes and schedules...
 

For anyone interested, here are some links to complete United Airline system timetables:

From June 1, 1972:

http://www.departedflights.com/UA060172intro.html

From June 11, 1976:

http://www.departedflights.com/UA061176intro.html

From August 1, 1982:

http://www.departedflights.com/UA080182intro.html

You guys are such mileage junkies LOL :D

I can't believe you remembered that particular detail

The route map uses tan dots for some stations. I thought it might mean hubs, but then that would mean YVR, HNL, SEA and PDX were hubs in addition to LAX, SFO, DEN, and ORD. So what did the tan dots mean?

The other thing that struck me was how much more extensive the overall route network is today, even with cut backs, even with more competition. While a far cry from the days when UA was the only airline to service all 50 states with main line service, things could be much worse.

I give up, what is a "men only" flight?

Chicago O’Hare IL – Newark NJ 14 720 21 727 04 CVL
14 720 21 727 06 CVL
06 CVL – MEN ONLY O/B

Actually, mre5765, its nothing that exciting, unfortunately.

I pulled out the actual timetable....the tan dots simply represent cities served by both United AND Western International Hotels.

When I was young and poor, I lived near IAD, but I bought a much cheaper ticket from BWI to an unremembered destination. What I do remember is that I drove more than an hour to BWI, flew to IAD, did not deplane, and continued to the final destination.

It was the p.s. of its day, designed for corporate executives shuttling between Chicago and New York. Service featured steaks and cigars.

The Caravelle is a beautiful aircraft. I wish I had the chance to fly on one!

It was just that...MEN ONLY.

(From United.com....http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,3302,00.html)

"Business as usual--1950s style:
United in 1953 introduced "Executive" all-male passenger flights. The men enjoyed free gifts such as cigars, which the stewardesses often lit for them. A reporter for Playboy magazine wrote, ". . .the only girls aboard are a couple of unobtrusive stewardesses. . ."
The popular Executive flights flew 10,500 segments, with a load factor of 80 to 90 percent, from 1953 until they were discontinued in 1970.
Complimentary alcohol, measured in cruets, was added to first class flights in 1956, and passengers were restricted to a two-drink limit. Stewardesses monitored the drink ration."

Haha that sounds totally awesome

and some older ones ...

http://www.airchive.com/html/timetab...s/1/united/226

Saab 340s on Colgan, flight time has been around 10 minutes almost every day over the last month according to flightaware (one day as long as 22 mins).

I did the shuttlebus but don't remember getting the RDMs from SFO to SJC.

What I do remember was travelling from DEN to SFO in the 70s and landing at SJC, only to take off again and do the quick jaunt (at about 2000 ft) up to SFO on a late night flight. I am pretty certain it was UA but now that I think about it, it might have been CO.

At any rate, I was the only PAX in the airplane.

As someone who grew up in Cleveland, I remember that UA was a major carrier there. At one time CLE was UA's 4th largest market. When I fly to CLE now, it is usually on a RJ.

This is a little more recent but I remember the quick hops on UAX from LAX to SNA on the Dash-8. Not sure when they stopped those flights but I think it was sometime in '07 or '08.

I remember that. I walked around SFO with my bags looking for the gate for the 'flight'. This was in my first year of travelling for work.

Gads...I even credited the flights to try and get AC Silver instead of pushing past to Gold on UA.

The next time I saw a flight pair like this I double checked the flight details...SNA-LAX...real plane.

There was one IATA season where the SNA-LAX was on an A320 that continued on to BOS.

UA traded hubs with CO in the 1980s: IAD for CLE. Nothing against Cleveland, but I'm pretty sure UA got the better end of that business deal.

I remember flying SFO-OAK, wheels didn't even go up. Was a through flight to ORD. Got to OAK and flight went Mechanical and cancelled. Put into a van back to SFO and started over again.

The Atlanta mini-hub has its roots in UA's Capital Airlines merger.

That is so funny! ^^ Thanks for sharing.