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Aug 21, 2002, 10:30 pm
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JoeDoakes, I don't have a big issue with a subtle sign of faith. Recently I was on a flight with an FA wearing a cross pin on his outfit and while "resting" reading a big book that had an offending (to me) name, but he wasn't carrying it about. I have always had an office policy of "we don't discuss religion or politics with the clients" and also don't do things that are going to be likely to lead to a religious or political conversation with clients.
Aug 21, 2002, 10:30 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by lqdnitin:
As I stated in my message, the necklace didn't bother me. Why are you trying to make my message say something else, or going on the defensive about your religion by my message in the first place.
From the responses, there is a spectrum of opinions on the FA letting their view be known.
My own opinion is that the FA uniform should be standard, and that they should not be allowed to adorn/wear anything in addition to it. I love Jesus, I love abortion, Gore in 2004, I love Cheetos, ... I don't really care.
In a service business, I do not want to know the provider's view on anything. They are free to have their view in the privacy of their own activities, but not while active in their profession. But that's just me.
BTW, the FA was male, not female. An interesting stereotype perhaps casting the rest of the discussion as well.
In honor of Homer, "mmmmm, purple". (eating a donut filled with purple goo)
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As I stated in my message, the necklace didn't bother me. Why are you trying to make my message say something else, or going on the defensive about your religion by my message in the first place.
From the responses, there is a spectrum of opinions on the FA letting their view be known.
My own opinion is that the FA uniform should be standard, and that they should not be allowed to adorn/wear anything in addition to it. I love Jesus, I love abortion, Gore in 2004, I love Cheetos, ... I don't really care.
In a service business, I do not want to know the provider's view on anything. They are free to have their view in the privacy of their own activities, but not while active in their profession. But that's just me.
BTW, the FA was male, not female. An interesting stereotype perhaps casting the rest of the discussion as well.
In honor of Homer, "mmmmm, purple". (eating a donut filled with purple goo)
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I have been stunned to see that UA and CO are allowing their FA's with tattoos now wear short sleeved shirts exposing such. This never would have happened back in the 70's or 80's.
So be it. It's 2001, I deal with it. I don't like it. I think it's ugly and defiling your body, but I have never posted as such, much less ever complained.
What is the big deal with this? If the guy had it tattooed on his arm would you have complained?
Aug 21, 2002, 10:32 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by aceflyer2:
God believes in you even if you don't believe in Him. How anyone could look at the beauty of the world and not see God is beyond me. Everyone else (e.g., Hollywood, media) has the right to speak up and say whats on their minds and so do we. Its time that we as Christians stood up proudly and expressed our views. If people don't like this about Alaska Airlines, then they don't have to fly them. But, I'll bet if they advertised this, they would probably see a significant increase in passengers who travel with them!
]Originally posted by tfong007:
Would it be okay to have a pin that says " I love SATAN"?</font>
God believes in you even if you don't believe in Him. How anyone could look at the beauty of the world and not see God is beyond me. Everyone else (e.g., Hollywood, media) has the right to speak up and say whats on their minds and so do we. Its time that we as Christians stood up proudly and expressed our views. If people don't like this about Alaska Airlines, then they don't have to fly them. But, I'll bet if they advertised this, they would probably see a significant increase in passengers who travel with them!
]Originally posted by tfong007:
Would it be okay to have a pin that says " I love SATAN"?</font>
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One of two lone voices. God Bless You (eww...will I get flamed for that?) and perhaps well see each other on a flight aceflyer2. I'll have the pin on
Aug 21, 2002, 10:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Eastbay1K:
JoeDoakes, I don't have a big issue with a subtle sign of faith. Recently I was on a flight with an FA wearing a cross pin on his outfit and while "resting" reading a big book that had an offending (to me) name, but he wasn't carrying it about. I have always had an office policy of "we don't discuss religion or politics with the clients" and also don't do things that are going to be likely to lead to a religious or political conversation with clients.</font>
JoeDoakes, I don't have a big issue with a subtle sign of faith. Recently I was on a flight with an FA wearing a cross pin on his outfit and while "resting" reading a big book that had an offending (to me) name, but he wasn't carrying it about. I have always had an office policy of "we don't discuss religion or politics with the clients" and also don't do things that are going to be likely to lead to a religious or political conversation with clients.</font>
Aug 21, 2002, 10:34 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LLZ:
I have been stunned to see that UA and CO are allowing their FA's with tattoos now wear short sleeved shirts exposing such. This never would have happened back in the 70's or 80's.
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I have been stunned to see that UA and CO are allowing their FA's with tattoos now wear short sleeved shirts exposing such. This never would have happened back in the 70's or 80's.
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Aug 21, 2002, 10:41 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by aceflyer2:
God believes in you even if you don't believe in Him. How anyone could look at the beauty of the world and not see God is beyond me. Everyone else (e.g., Hollywood, media) has the right to speak up and say whats on their minds and so do we. Its time that we as Christians stood up proudly and expressed our views. If people don't like this about Alaska Airlines, then they don't have to fly them. But, I'll bet if they advertised this, they would probably see a significant increase in passengers who travel with them!</font>
God believes in you even if you don't believe in Him. How anyone could look at the beauty of the world and not see God is beyond me. Everyone else (e.g., Hollywood, media) has the right to speak up and say whats on their minds and so do we. Its time that we as Christians stood up proudly and expressed our views. If people don't like this about Alaska Airlines, then they don't have to fly them. But, I'll bet if they advertised this, they would probably see a significant increase in passengers who travel with them!</font>
I should add to clarify my earlier post that I would not allow the "I love Jesus" deal if I were the boss; it just doesn't happen to trip my particular trigger.
Aug 21, 2002, 10:45 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Eastbay1K:
Well, in the 70s and before, there were FAs who barely hid their panties under the shorts they wore. No tattoos, but if they were "forced" to wear that now? (C'mon, put one of those UA FAs, size 300, dressed like a reupholstered couch in an old FA outfit in a 70s FA outfit?)
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Well, in the 70s and before, there were FAs who barely hid their panties under the shorts they wore. No tattoos, but if they were "forced" to wear that now? (C'mon, put one of those UA FAs, size 300, dressed like a reupholstered couch in an old FA outfit in a 70s FA outfit?)
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Legs, yes, sans tattoos. Many of them had chains with crosses across their necks too. No one ever complained about those.
What does this have to do with today and this forum?
Aug 21, 2002, 10:56 pm
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I was always taught that the real issue is not so much how you feel about God*, as it is how God feels about you.
God* Except for the name, an a few other changes, the story's the same one.
God* Except for the name, an a few other changes, the story's the same one.
Aug 21, 2002, 11:02 pm
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Last summer, my mere presence on a flight turned into a religious experience for one FA:
My New Calling
My New Calling
Aug 21, 2002, 11:41 pm
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A whole page of posts ago, RalphUA said "Have you noticed those hard-cover blue Holy Bibles in the FC magazine rack? I wonder if that offends people?
I've never seen the Torah, Qu'ran, nor the Wiccan Handbook on any of those 737s or Airbuses."
Actually, you've seen the Torah; you just didn't realize it. It's contained in every one of those Bibles; plus-or-minus translation issues, the Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. (The word simply means "law".)
I've never seen the Torah, Qu'ran, nor the Wiccan Handbook on any of those 737s or Airbuses."
Actually, you've seen the Torah; you just didn't realize it. It's contained in every one of those Bibles; plus-or-minus translation issues, the Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. (The word simply means "law".)
Aug 21, 2002, 11:44 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LarryU:
Last summer, my mere presence on a flight turned into a religious experience for one FA:
My New Calling
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Last summer, my mere presence on a flight turned into a religious experience for one FA:
My New Calling
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Aug 21, 2002, 11:49 pm
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Aug 22, 2002, 12:14 am
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Thanks a bunch! That is classic and terribly creative!
Up there with the (although not lyrical) Chef Ho meal report made about UA....turkey sandwich and chips, "inspired" by the same.
Up there with the (although not lyrical) Chef Ho meal report made about UA....turkey sandwich and chips, "inspired" by the same.
Aug 22, 2002, 12:17 am
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Back to the topic - who cares what an employee uses to hold their i.d. around their neck? Regardless of your personal feelings (for disclosure, I am a Christian), she is not attacking you or forcing you to listen to her. She is just wearing a rope around her neck - jeesh. If this is so offensive to some, then I guess you should stop staying at any hotel with a bible in the dresser.
Aug 22, 2002, 10:54 am
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I like Punki's comment, a real "Diamond"