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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Apr 13, 2016, 2:31 pm
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I bet I'm nt the only one here who read ABE and thought of an airport in Pennsylvania!
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I bet I'm nt the only one here who read ABE and thought of an airport in Pennsylvania!
Yup, I was fooled too. ABE can mean two different things (Allentown or Aberdeen) depending on whether you are taking the plane or the train. The OP should spell it out to avoid confusion.

Also, I would start my journey at BWI and have one less thing to stress over, if it were possible/feasible to do so.
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Originally Posted by radiowell
Also, I would start my journey at BWI and have one less thing to stress over, if it were possible/feasible to do so.
That's a good idea. UA also code-shares with Amtrak from Wilmington -- ZWI -- which is also pretty clse to Aberdeen.
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I corrected my previous posts regarding Aberdeen abbreviation for reference for those interested in following along/reading in future.
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ZFV-EWR-RIC: How to skip ZFV

Hi everyone,

I am hoping someone can give me advice -

Just booked a flight to that originates in Philadelphia at ZFV. I live in New York City and my plan is to attempt to obtain my Amtrak ticket either beforehand at a Penn Station Quik-Trak station OR not at all (give the conductor my name when I board at Penn Station).

I would then take the train from Penn Station to EWR and hopefully get the conductor to scan my ticket during this short trip..?

As you know, I can cancel this flight within the next 24 hours if I don't think this would work out - but it was a great deal, so I purchased and am now doing the research.

Has anyone skipped the ZFV-EWR length recently? Or even better, boarded the train at Penn Station?

Any help/guidance is very appreciated. I don't have many MileagePlus miles and therefore am not afraid of losing them, if that helps at all...

THANKS!
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Old Apr 28, 2016, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by linvelli
Hi everyone,

I am hoping someone can give me advice -

Just booked a flight to that originates in Philadelphia at ZFV. I live in New York City and my plan is to attempt to obtain my Amtrak ticket either beforehand at a Penn Station Quik-Trak station OR not at all (give the conductor my name when I board at Penn Station).

I would then take the train from Penn Station to EWR and hopefully get the conductor to scan my ticket during this short trip..?

As you know, I can cancel this flight within the next 24 hours if I don't think this would work out - but it was a great deal, so I purchased and am now doing the research.

Has anyone skipped the ZFV-EWR length recently? Or even better, boarded the train at Penn Station?

Any help/guidance is very appreciated. I don't have many MileagePlus miles and therefore am not afraid of losing them, if that helps at all...

THANKS!
You realize you will have to purchase an Amtrak ticket from NYP-EWR then ($35-45)?

If you wanted to use the original amtrak ticket, you could purchase your UA ticket with an ZVE/ZTF-EWR-XXX routing and then board at Penn.
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Old Apr 28, 2016, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by edcho
You realize you will have to purchase an Amtrak ticket from NYP-EWR then ($35-45)?

If you wanted to use the original amtrak ticket, you could purchase your UA ticket with an ZVE/ZTF-EWR-XXX routing and then board at Penn.
I did not realize that. So the train that leaves 30th street in Philly and goes to Newark does not stop at Penn Station?

I could also take a subway to Newark - but then I'm never stepping foot on am Amtrak so I wouldn't be able to get my ticket punched.
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Originally Posted by linvelli
Hi everyone,

I am hoping someone can give me advice -

Just booked a flight to that originates in Philadelphia at ZFV. I live in New York City
Advice: If you're actually originating in New York, don't buy a plane ticket starting out in Philly because it's a good deal.
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Originally Posted by linvelli
Just booked a flight to that originates in Philadelphia at ZFV. I live in New York City and my plan is to attempt to obtain my Amtrak ticket either beforehand at a Penn Station Quik-Trak station OR not at all (give the conductor my name when I board at Penn Station).

I would then take the train from Penn Station to EWR and hopefully get the conductor to scan my ticket during this short trip..?
This won't work. All NE corridor trains are reserved. A ticket for ZFV-EWR will never be on the same train # as a NYP-EWR. The conductor will not, can not, scan your ticket. If you have a valid ticket for NYP-EWR he will scan that, but never your ZFV-EWR ticket. If you don't even have a valid ticket for NYP-EWR you will be a fare evader and probably fined and/or charged full price. In any case, your segment will not be scanned for purposes of preserving your UA flight.

If the ZFV deal is such a good deal, I suggest you take some time, travel from NYC to PHL on your dime, then take your real ZFV-EWR train to the airport.

If the ZFV deal is not such a good deal to justify that hassle, then I suggest you cancel and refund that ticket and purchase a proper ticket from a NYC area airport.
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Originally Posted by linvelli
I did not realize that. So the train that leaves 30th street in Philly and goes to Newark does not stop at Penn Station?
The train stops at bth Penn Stations. It helps to indicate which one you are talking about. In this case we can be pretty sure, but it doesn't matter. As CaptainMiles has said, your plan won't work. The ZFV to EWR train passes the EWR station before it gets to either Penn Station.
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Old Apr 29, 2016, 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by edcho
If you wanted to use the original amtrak ticket, you could purchase your UA ticket with an ZVE/ZTF-EWR-XXX routing and then board at Penn.
I tried to set fare alerts with Kayak and Yapta for those rail codes to no avail. What sites (if any) do y'all use for watching these routes? TIA.
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I tried to set fare alerts with Kayak and Yapta for those rail codes to no avail. What sites (if any) do y'all use for watching these routes? TIA.
Bookable on UA but many OTAs don't recognize these codes so they really can't be monitored.

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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
This won't work. All NE corridor trains are reserved. A ticket for ZFV-EWR will never be on the same train # as a NYP-EWR. The conductor will not, can not, scan your ticket. If you have a valid ticket for NYP-EWR he will scan that, but never your ZFV-EWR ticket. If you don't even have a valid ticket for NYP-EWR you will be a fare evader and probably fined and/or charged full price. In any case, your segment will not be scanned for purposes of preserving your UA flight.

If the ZFV deal is such a good deal, I suggest you take some time, travel from NYC to PHL on your dime, then take your real ZFV-EWR train to the airport.

If the ZFV deal is not such a good deal to justify that hassle, then I suggest you cancel and refund that ticket and purchase a proper ticket from a NYC area airport.
Thank you for explaining. Looks like I will be taking a bus to Philly to save around $350. Just wanted to make sure that was completely necessary, which you all have clarified.

Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by linvelli
Thank you for explaining. Looks like I will be taking a bus to Philly to save around $350. Just wanted to make sure that was completely necessary, which you all have clarified.

Thanks again!
Smart Move and Welcome to FT! Keep us informed, and if you need anything else answered we are happy to do so.. Safe Travels..
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This is mostly for my own / others' reference from my experience : it's not possible to use the app to same day change (SDC) a ticket where the final destination is ZFV.

I had BOS-EWR-ZFV. The app let me change the BOS-EWR leg to anything earlier, but EWR-ZFV was not changeable. Of course, Amtrak agents over the phone can't change the EWR-ZFV leg, so I was stuck with the flight I purchased
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