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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Jun 27, 2019, 5:44 am
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Proposed increase in Air Train fares for both EWR and JFK from the current $5.00 to $7.75 effective November 1, 2019
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Old Jun 27, 2019, 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
Proposed increase in Air Train fares for both EWR and JFK from the current $5.00 to $7.75 effective November 1, 2019
PANYNJ really loves t dissuade people from using public transit to/from the airport by keeping these fees high. FWIW, the current AirTrain fee at EWR is $5.50.
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Per the PANYNJ

AirTrain Fares***Fare OptionExistingProposedAirTrain JFK$5.00$7.75 AirTrain Newark $5.00$7.75
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
AirTrain Fares***Fare OptionExistingProposedAirTrain JFK$5.00$7.75 AirTrain Newark $5.00$7.75
Clearly, the PANYNJ can't get its act together. Here they cite $5.50 ...and here too.
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Adding a data point from today: it is apparently still possible to change to an earlier train on arrival at EWR, not that it’s an easy process, and in my case it was even a dramatic one. There is indeed no longer a ‘red phone’ at the old Amtrak booth at the station, just a sign telling you to call Amtrak central reservations. I arrived today at about 5.15 with my eye on the 5.27 train (United had booked me on the 9.30 train, but I can think of better ways to spend four hours than hanging out at EWR station). Printed my ticket from the kiosk and then wasted precious minutes attempting to get the automated phone system to understand the reservation number. Eventually I got through to an agent who was willing to change me to the 5.27, but only if I paid $56 over the phone. By this time I’m running down the escalator attempting to handle my bags and phone while also reading off my CC details. Leapt onto the train with seconds to spare, at which point some kind of problem arose and the agent put me on hold. Eventually he came back and told me they couldn’t make the change for some reason (maybe because the train had already left?), but since I was already on board they would waive the change fee and email me the new ticket.

So now I’m sitting in the cafe car feeling relieved, but also no email has arrived, so I’m wondering what will happen when the conductor comes. Hopefully the barcode on the original ticket will still work for the changed reservation. Stay tuned for the next exciting instalment!
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Adding a data point from today: it is apparently still possible to change to an earlier train on arrival at EWR, not that it’s an easy process, and in my case it was even a dramatic one. There is indeed no longer a ‘red phone’ at the old Amtrak booth at the station, just a sign telling you to call Amtrak central reservations. I arrived today at about 5.15 with my eye on the 5.27 train (United had booked me on the 9.30 train, but I can think of better ways to spend four hours than hanging out at EWR station). Printed my ticket from the kiosk and then wasted precious minutes attempting to get the automated phone system to understand the reservation number. Eventually I got through to an agent who was willing to change me to the 5.27, but only if I paid $56 over the phone. By this time I’m running down the escalator attempting to handle my bags and phone while also reading off my CC details. Leapt onto the train with seconds to spare, at which point some kind of problem arose and the agent put me on hold. Eventually he came back and told me they couldn’t make the change for some reason (maybe because the train had already left?), but since I was already on board they would waive the change fee and email me the new ticket.

So now I’m sitting in the cafe car feeling relieved, but also no email has arrived, so I’m wondering what will happen when the conductor comes. Hopefully the barcode on the original ticket will still work for the changed reservation. Stay tuned for the next exciting instalment!
That's too much excitement for me And honestly ... $56 is just a new ticket to PHL ... so 'possible' to change to a different train is very much up to interpretation.
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Sounds fun, I’m intrigued. I know it all work out and you won’t be charged any extra. Just let us know. Happy Fourth of July
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Well the conductor never came, so in the end I’m not sure if this was totally by the book or if I got away with something (and the $56 is still pending on my CC, so I don’t know if they actually reversed it yet). Maybe not the clearest of data points. Either way, I went from arriving at the gate at Newark to opening my front door in Philly in 2 hours and 8 minutes, coming off an international flight! Surely this is some kind of record.

Edit: on thinking about it, I don’t think the problem with changing the ticket was that the train had already left. After charging my card, the agent said something like “only the station ticket office can change this ticket” - so that suggests that the United tickets don’t work like regular tickets where you can just change trains by paying the fare difference. Of course since the “station ticket office” doesn’t exist any more, we haven’t gained any clarity on whether and how these tickets can be changed...

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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
Clearly, the PANYNJ can't get its act together. Here they cite $5.50 ...and here too.
May be that explains the most recent proposed fare increase! They need to make up for the loss of revenue ($0.50 per ticket) during all these years.

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Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.
(Underlining mine)

Does anyone have experience with this? How exactly can you board north of the airport? I understand boarding north of PHL but south of EWR and getting your ticket scanned. But boarding north of EWR has 2 issues that I see:
  1. All Amtrak trains are reserved, so you technically don't have a ticket for the train, and conductor may not be willing to scan your ticket or "look the other way"
  2. Even if no issues with conductor, won't the scan show you on a different train entirely, thus canceling your un-ridden ZFV-EWR leg?
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
(Underlining mine)

Does anyone have experience with this? How exactly can you board north of the airport? I understand boarding north of PHL but south of EWR and getting your ticket scanned. But boarding north of EWR has 2 issues that I see..
You're ignoring the caveat the OP made in parentheses - if you're booking something from one of the stations in NY or CT. Although not as popular as ZFV, those can also be booked.
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You're ignoring the caveat the OP made in parentheses - if you're booking something from one of the stations in NY or CT. Although not as popular as ZFV, those can also be booked.
Aha touche. Completely went right over my head. Thanks

Do all Northeast Regionals follow the exact same schedule for each scheduled train (i.e. stopping at the exact same stations each time)?
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
Aha touche. Completely went right over my head. Thanks

Do all Northeast Regionals follow the exact same schedule for each scheduled train (i.e. stopping at the exact same stations each time)?
No.
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Old Aug 15, 2019, 9:42 am
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Quick update and notes from first time flying internationally from 30th to Vancouver BC for a roundtrip flight.

1) Check in with United BEFORE trying to get Amtrak tickets.

2) United's website no longer prints boarding passes, you MUST install the United app to print boarding passes at home.

3) Double check your name on the tickets. United's tickets use 4 data fields -Firstname, Initial, Lastname, and Suffix- BUT this is sent to Amtrak as 2 data fields -Firstname and Lastname-; so your United check-in for "Alfred E. Neuman Sr." will generate an Amtrak reservation for "Alfrede Neumansr" and then you won't be able to print your ticket from the Amtrak Kiosk at Newark or 30th Street, because the kiosks lookup your name based on what is encoded on the credit card.

4) If you have a mangled name, call Amtrak customer service and get the reservation number, which DOES work at 30th Street Station kiosks. I found that the Amtrak kiosk at Newark DID print the codeshare ticket, based on the destination.

5) You can pre-print your Amtrak ticket at any Amtrack ticket office or kiosk, e.g. I was able to print my Newark-30th Amtrak tickets at the Pacific Central Amtrak station in Vancouver.

6) If you're bringing luggage, the Amtrak stations have elevators. At Newark, once you get up from the platform, there are $6 luggage carts available at the upper level of the Amtrak crossover, which you can take on the AirTrain and then into baggage check-in.
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Old Aug 19, 2019, 12:24 pm
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On the United codeshare flights with an Amtrak connection, can you earn both with United MileagePlus and Amtrak Guest Rewards?

With United, I only seem to be able to enter one rewards program into my itinerary with the codeshare Amtrak connection. Was wondering if I'm missing something, because this gives the impression it's only possible to earn with one rewards program or the other...
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