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jonu Mar 23, 2025 7:52 am

$500 to move from E+ to E- DEN-EWR
 
About to push off on a completely full fight from DEN to EWR, and they announced they’re looking for 2 volunteers from any seat in E+ to two sets in E-. At least one E- was a middle. I don’t think they were next to each other. Offered $500, presumably cash since no mention of travel credits. Any idea what could prompt such an offer?

bmwe92fan Mar 23, 2025 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by jonu (Post 36977276)
About to push off on a completely full fight from DEN to EWR, and they announced they’re looking for 2 volunteers from any seat in E+ to two sets in E-. At least one E- was a middle. I don’t think they were next to each other. Offered $500, presumably cash since no mention of travel credits. Any idea what could prompt such an offer?

All I can think of is that there is someone that has a right to be in E+ (employee (Pilot / FA), FAM?) and they do not want to IDB people on the flight...

mduell Mar 23, 2025 1:20 pm

Could be been a weight and balance issue, due to cargo loading/misloading or otherwise.

I would assume the $500 was travel credit if they did not specifically say cash.

WineCountryUA Mar 23, 2025 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by jonu (Post 36977276)
About to push off on a completely full fight from DEN to EWR, and they announced they’re looking for 2 volunteers from any seat in E+ to two sets in E-. At least one E- was a middle. ...

Were the E+ seats left empty or occupied?

jonu Mar 23, 2025 2:31 pm

I think I know at least part of the story. Our 7:50 am flight was delayed 15 minutes because they needed to find flight crew. Odd (no weather issues at all in DEN). Guessing pilots took the E+ seats (saw one of them sit in seats who was clearly a pilot). So maybe our original pilots couldn't fly and took those seats while they got 2 new pilots? No idea why, though. And while they did not specify cash or travel credits, I guess I could see how it is presumed to be travel credits when not otherwise specified.

My son and I couldn't take up the offer as were were already stuck in E- as that was all that was available when we booked a week ago.

mahasamatman Mar 23, 2025 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by jonu (Post 36978002)
I guess I could see how it is presumed to be travel credits when not otherwise specified.

I would make the opposite assumption, and if it came down to it, I'm sure the courts would agree.

joeyday Mar 23, 2025 3:13 pm

I have been downgraded a few times from E+ to E, always for a flight credit. Never quite understood why. The last time this happened to me and another passenger, a flight attendant came up to us one hour into the flight and told us we could sit in our original seats.

SPN Lifer Mar 23, 2025 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by jonu (Post # 1) (Post 36977276)
Offered $500, presumably cash since no mention of travel credits.


Originally Posted by mduell (Post # 3) (Post 36977859)
I would assume the $500 was travel credit if they did not specifically say cash.


Originally Posted by jonu (Post # 5) (Post 36978002)
[ W]hile they did not specify cash or travel credits, I guess I could see how it is presumed to be travel credits when not otherwise specified.


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post # 6) (Post 36978007)
I would make the opposite assumption, and if it came down to it, I'm sure the courts would agree. [Emphasis added.]

Highly unlikely.

No one is forcing the volunteers to enter the contract. Likely the terms are made clear (cash or travel credit) when they approach the podium to accept, but if not, and it is important to them, they should ask.

UAreLUVd Mar 30, 2025 8:56 am


Originally Posted by jonu (Post 36977276)
About to push off on a completely full fight from DEN to EWR, and they announced they’re looking for 2 volunteers from any seat in E+ to two sets in E-. At least one E- was a middle. I don’t think they were next to each other. Offered $500, presumably cash since no mention of travel credits. Any idea what could prompt such an offer?

Possibility of two pilots being deadheaded (DH) to EWR at the last minute. UA pilot contract requires E+ or better seating for pilot DHs. Pilots may opt to not board the flight if the seat is not an E+ or better seat. It can be a middle seat in E+ but those must be as a last resort according to the seating order laid out in the contract. DH in a middle seat will trigger extra pay if no aisle or window seats are available at time of boarding/departure.

mfirst Mar 30, 2025 9:30 am

I would take that in a second....as much as I dislike E- vs E+, I like $500 more

physioprof Mar 30, 2025 10:48 am


Originally Posted by joeyday (Post 36978051)
I have been downgraded a few times from E+ to E, always for a flight credit. Never quite understood why. The last time this happened to me and another passenger, a flight attendant came up to us one hour into the flight and told us we could sit in our original seats.

This would imply weight & balance?

emcampbe Mar 30, 2025 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 36993055)
This would imply weight & balance?

I was going to say that would make the most sense to me. Since the take off weight distribution is important - but once you're in the air that changes.

Could also be that they were told their would be a deadheading crew that are contractually required to that seating, but for whatever reason, it changed again last minute and they didn't actually board the flight, so those seats remained empty.

mfirst Mar 30, 2025 12:16 pm

EWR-DEN is probably on at least a narrow body like a 737 (or larger, like a 777) - not a ERJ.... does a few passengers weight really make that much of a difference?

LarryJ Mar 30, 2025 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by mfirst (Post 36993215)
EWR-DEN is probably on at least a narrow body like a 737 (or larger, like a 777) - not a ERJ.... does a few passengers weight really make that much of a difference?

Yes.

Average weights are used but there is still a hard limit that the calculated weight and balance can not cross. If the loading is outside of the line then something must be moved so that the calculation comes up within the line. That often takes the form of blocking rows at the front, or rear, of the aircraft to ensure that all possible distributions will fall within the lines.

mfirst Mar 30, 2025 12:47 pm

LarryJ - true... I recall reading about some weight and balance issues on Hawaiian Airlines flights due to .... well, quite a few POS flying.... and well, this is a flight leaving EWR.....

seriously - with all of the cargo....I'm surprised that a few hundred pound bags of meat make that much of a difference?


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