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WineCountryUA May 5, 2024 12:04 pm

UA & AA agree to $8.5B ORD remodel of Terminal 2 (first announced in 2018)
 
SimpleFlying: United And American Airlines Reach Agreement On $8.5 Billion Chicago O'Hare Remodel

  • American and United Airlines are participating in Chicago O'Hare Airport's Global Terminal project, which aims to modernize the airport.
  • The project, funded by airline fees, will double the size of Terminal 2 and enhance passenger experience with new amenities.
  • Airlines and city officials are committed to working together to ensure the project stays within budget and maintains O'Hare's global status.

SeekingAlpha: United, American agree to $8.5B upgrade to Chicago O'Hare Airport

  • Years after it was first announced, a major construction project at Chicago O'Hare Airport is now a go following agreements to the plan secured by the airport's two main carriers, United Airlines (NASDAQ:UAL) and American Airlines (NASDAQ:AAL).
  • The Terminal Area Project, first announced in 2018, involves the construction of a new global concourse, replacing the airport's current terminal 2, as well as two additional satellite concourses. The global concourse will be double the size of the present terminal 2.
  • The agreement calls for the global concourse to have priority in development, with satellite concourses construction delayed.

NBC 5: American, United reach agreement with City of Chicago on $8.5B O'Hare Airport overhaul

the agreement announced on Friday will help expand O’Hare’s gate capacity by 25 percent, enabling the airport to accommodate a wider range of aircraft, improve gate access for arriving aircraft, reduce delays and more.

United Airlines

"We are pleased that Mayor Johnson and his aviation department have put forth a phasing plan that will ensure that TAP funds are first spent on the mission-critical portions of the program — the O’Hare Global Terminal and Satellite 1. The Global Terminal has always been the centerpiece of this program and the crucial piece needed to ensure Chicago maintains its status as a global hub. Under this new phasing plan, we can deliver the most impactful elements of the modernization project the quickest."

We are excited to move forward on this project so our customers traveling to and from Chicago can enjoy the benefits. We look forward to collaborating with the Mayor and his aviation department on the budget, scope and design of the project so that together, we can not only deliver the modernized airport envisioned in the 2018 lease contract but also ensure O'Hare's future financial stability and competitiveness for years to come."
2018 AnnouncementMayor Emanuel Introduces Historic Plan to Transform O'Hare International Airport and Create Billions in Economic Development

JimInOhio May 5, 2024 12:29 pm

All along the message has been the satellite concourses, or at least one of them, had to be completed before the existing T2 could be torn down to make way for the new Global Terminal. Now they’re saying this?

WineCountryUA May 5, 2024 12:38 pm

UA F (and E) gates are in Terminal 2, so will there is reduction in gates in the meantime?

JimInOhio May 5, 2024 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 36211981)
UA F gates are in Terminal 2

And E gates.

mduell May 5, 2024 3:11 pm

Can't wait for pay for this in higher fares, while it struggles through development delays and corruption over the next decade+.

Are they going to clear out the homeless land side? Or is that not considered in the airport's "global status"?

CJ99 May 5, 2024 3:56 pm

Great summary; thanks. The whole thing is of course subject to traditional Chicago corruption and cost overrun, but if the Global Terminal is completed, it will be a significant improvement for UA and AA pax connecting from international to domestic. INT arrival and border formalities will take place in T2, which straddles T1 (UA) and T3 (AA).

What to do with the gates currently occupied at T2 during construction is obviously an issue if T2 is demolished before the Global Terminal is built. It does help that DL moved from T2 to T5 last year.

elCheapoDeluxe May 5, 2024 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 36211981)
UA F (and E) gates are in Terminal 2, so will there is reduction in gates in the meantime?

And AA's G gates. This is going to screw up United Express and American Eagle flights big time if they go forward with the global concourse and don't have a place for all those regional jets.

pseudoswede May 5, 2024 4:31 pm

Over/under on the actual cost? What if the line was set at $10.75B?

DataPlumber May 5, 2024 5:02 pm

I have to believe the C and high L concourse extensions would have to be completed first, before They bulldoze the E/F concourse for the new T2.

dx3003 May 5, 2024 8:57 pm

Gates E and F are a mess. Without the waiting areas for Groups 1 and 2, it is complete chaos at boarding.

JimInOhio May 28, 2024 9:12 am

This story in the Chicago SunTimes adds some needed clarity:


The new agreement will allow the city to proceed with construction and operation of the first satellite concourse while planning a phased construction of the global terminal that would replace existing gates at what is now Terminal 2.
As pointed out by multiple posters, it seemed impossible the two satellites could be delayed/cancelled in favor of the new terminal to replace T2.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-ha...41.5%20billion

JAaronT May 28, 2024 10:21 am


Originally Posted by JimInOhio (Post 36264833)
This story in the Chicago SunTimes adds some needed clarity:



As pointed out by multiple posters, it seemed impossible the two satellites could be delayed/cancelled in favor of the new terminal to replace T2.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-ha...41.5%20billion

It hadn’t really occurred to me (mainly because I haven’t been paying attention) that UA and AA wouldn’t want all the new gates because it would invite competition. I had assumed all the new gates would go to them.

I still can’t see how this new plan isn’t going to lead to a massive gate crunch for United. Unless the E concourse is currently highly under utilized with the movement of Delta to T5 and new gates there. E+F is something like 40 gates and satellite 1 looks to be something like 10-12.

JimInOhio May 28, 2024 10:44 am


Originally Posted by JAaronT (Post 36264992)
It hadn’t really occurred to me (mainly because I haven’t been paying attention) that UA and AA wouldn’t want all the new gates because it would invite competition. I had assumed all the new gates would go to them.

I still can’t see how this new plan isn’t going to lead to a massive gate crunch for United. Unless the E concourse is currently highly under utilized with the movement of Delta to T5 and new gates there. E+F is something like 40 gates and satellite 1 looks to be something like 10-12.

Per this press release, Satellite 1 will have 19 gates:

https://ord21.com/newsroom/Pages/article.aspx?newsid=42

ORDtoMEM May 28, 2024 11:46 am


Originally Posted by JimInOhio (Post 36265057)
Per this press release, Satellite 1 will have 19 gates:

https://ord21.com/newsroom/Pages/article.aspx?newsid=42

That's still a huge reduction in gates for UA. Other than a couple used by Alaska and a couple used by Air Canada, they own T2, with an increasing amount of it being used for mainline flights. Are they planning on eliminating RJ flights from ORD?

Edit: not to mention it looks like the need to lose a couple gates at the end of C for the connector to S1

JimInOhio May 28, 2024 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by ORDtoMEM (Post 36265209)
That's still a huge reduction in gates for UA. Other than a couple used by Alaska and a couple used by Air Canada, they own T2, with an increasing amount of it being used for mainline flights. Are they planning on eliminating RJ flights from ORD?

Edit: not to mention it looks like the need to lose a couple gates at the end of C for the connector to S1

Perhaps they'll go the remote stand route until they get the new T2 commissioned?


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