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Given all the devaluations happening, are there literally any sweet spots/value left?

Given all the devaluations happening, are there literally any sweet spots/value left?

Old May 5, 2024, 12:34 am
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Originally Posted by jes6464 (Post # 59)
Cancelled our UA cards yesterday. This is really sad. No advance notice whatsoever. They've really bombed the trust.
​​​​The more that follow the card cancellation example, the greater the likelihood that someone at Chase and (eventually) UA will notice.

Unfortunately, this is not enough to dissuade my wife (Quest) and son (Explorer), who seem typical of UA MileagePlusô general members.

As a Premier Silver, I may even join them.
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Old May 5, 2024, 4:05 am
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I got 100k ticket to ICN (preferred destination - BKK) but award engine wonít spit out ICN-BKK so Iím stuck with either paying Y ticket to get there or just use lifemiles 27k J.. with recent devaluation, Iím expecting to get 100k bonus from UA credit card bonus this week and I might just use it on my small hometown airport to Singapore for 200k then LCC ride from there. I just tell myself that UA miles worth less or around 1 cpm and might be not bad idea to get rid all of it especially when UA want 99k for Tokyo to SE Asia! Insane.
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Old May 5, 2024, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by washeelers747
... with recent devaluation, Iím expecting to get 100k bonus from UA credit card bonus this week....
There might be a connection between the two.
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Old May 5, 2024, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by washeelers747
I just tell myself that UA miles worth less or around 1 cpm and might be not bad idea to get rid all of it
Sounds like a sensible plan to me.
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Old May 5, 2024, 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by The Man in Seat 9A
Between the regular category bonuses, and this quarter's bonus, I am earning 5x on UA spend, 4x on other travel and restaurants this quarter on my Quest card.
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
There might be a connection between the two.
Or three.

I recall in pre-CSR era when 2x for UA or category bonus spend (which were not nearly as widespread) for Chase UA or UR earning cards was considered a high earning rate.
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Old May 5, 2024, 7:19 pm
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Originally Posted by washeelers747
I got 100k ticket to ICN (preferred destination - BKK) but award engine wonít spit out ICN-BKK so Iím stuck with either paying Y ticket to get there or just use lifemiles 27k J.
Setting aside UA's recent devaluation and looking more generally at the award travel landscape, 27k for ICN-BKK in J is a great deal, and 127k for US-ICN-BKK isn't half bad.
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Old May 5, 2024, 7:43 pm
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
What kind of deal alerts are you referring to?
The ones you have to pay for offered by Thrifty Traveler, Spencer Howard, etc. There are a fair number of saver level biz class deals across many carriers including *A. But rarely anything on UA and never on DL (though I think there are others that focus on DL).

For some time now it has been very difficult to find any sweet spots without subscribing to a newsletter and/or service like point.me though occasionally we will see nuggets posted by VFTW, OMAAT and other bloggers.

Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
​​​​The more that follow the card cancellation example, the greater the likelihood that someone at Chase and (eventually) UA will notice.

Yes, I am debating whether to pull UA biz card from the sock drawer and cancel it. I get some value from the in-flight discounts but not enough to offset the AFs. Though last week I received an offer for 4point/$1 spend that maxed out at 9k bonus miles. That helps to move the needle a little but my CC focus is still on transferable points.
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Old May 5, 2024, 8:09 pm
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UA just last week changed the J reward pricing of South Pacific to Asia from 50-55K miles to 90K mile one way J.
A big devalue. (Like SYD to BKK/SIN/etc.)

UA had been offering miles purchase with100% bonus - now I know why.
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Old May 6, 2024, 5:00 am
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For last-minute domestic trip, one can get two cents per miles if saver award (XN; 30K round trip, with cash fare over $600) opens up. Of course, one has to have a very flexible scheme to get this kind of deal.

Edit: United just gave me another 10% discount, 27K miles RT. The cash price for the identical flights is $936.

Last edited by Kmxu; May 6, 2024 at 7:11 am Reason: lower price for my trip
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Old May 6, 2024, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by The Man in Seat 9A
Between the regular category bonuses, and this quarter's bonus, I am earning 5x on UA spend, 4x on other travel and restaurants this quarter on my Quest card
I wouldn't even be tempted by those levels of spending bonuses. I'd rather be earning 3-5x (depending on the card I choose to use) in transferrable currencies on travel or dining. Not all mileage currencies are equal in value and UA miles are at or near the bottom in terms of value.

Originally Posted by cova
UA had been offering miles purchase with100% bonus - now I know why.
I wouldn't even remotely consider buying its miles at 200% purchase bonus. Even Chase can't be happy with what UA just did. The charge volume on UA cards is going to take a huge hit and Chase surely would want to renegotiate the terms on which it purchases UA miles.
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Old May 6, 2024, 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by tth6133
I wouldn't even remotely consider buying its miles at 200% purchase bonus.
I agree UA miles are among the least valuable major FFP currencies. There are however times when buying miles can make sense. UA's dynamic international JN awards in the 150k range will sometimes be the cheapest available option, with everything else priced at 2x that.
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Old May 6, 2024, 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by tth6133
Even Chase can't be happy with what UA just did. The charge volume on UA cards is going to take a huge hit and Chase surely would want to renegotiate the terms on which it purchases UA miles.
There's the problem. A "huge hit" on credit card spend has been predicted in these parts each time there's been a program devaluation over the past 20 years, but it never seems to materialize. Despite that, the award price increases can't go to infinity - at some point, the negative affect of award price increases on spend will be greater than the increases they can get from new members. I do wonder what will happen at that point, as just walking back the last change won't be enough.
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Old May 6, 2024, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by Steve M
A "huge hit" on credit card spend has been predicted in these parts each time there's been a program devaluation over the past 20 years, but it never seems to materialize.
Well UA has acknowledged the spend on its co-branded cards is below expectations.

The real problem is that DL is leading the pack on this metric, and that's not exactly the model we would like to see followed.
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Old May 6, 2024, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Steve M
Despite that, the award price increases can't go to infinity - at some point, the negative affect of award price increases on spend will be greater than the increases they can get from new members.
They donít have to go to infinite. I am mostly interested in international J awards, and I am sitting on 150,000 Delta miles that are ďnicely agedĒ by now. It doesnít really matter whether they charge 300k or 400k or one million miles for a J seat to EuropeÖ they are all out of reach and essentially the equivalent of infinity. The cost of acquiring those miles is just not worth it.

And if UA is now thinking that I am going to pay those rates for their awards, they will find that my engagement with their program will drop even further,

Originally Posted by Kacee
Well UA has acknowledged the spend on its co-branded cards is below expectations.
Yes, a few years ago. Since then they have apparently increased spend promos to drive more spend on their cards, and my data point of one shows that it has, to some degree, worked in that I put at least some spend on the UA Explorer card. Seems they now have reversed course - I will be canceling my Explorer card as soon as I have used up my two UA Club certs.
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Old May 6, 2024, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by Steve M
There's the problem. A "huge hit" on credit card spend has been predicted in these parts each time there's been a program devaluation over the past 20 years, but it never seems to materialize. Despite that, the award price increases can't go to infinity - at some point, the negative affect of award price increases on spend will be greater than the increases they can get from new members. I do wonder what will happen at that point, as just walking back the last change won't be enough.
Spending behaviour is very easy to model, and they can titrate this to what ever level they want.

they control the price per seat, the inventory, the availability, card offers can hook new fish, itís like a casino where the payout is in Monopoly money but the game is life , plus you get a dose of crack when you enter the room.
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