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IAH-OIL-TRASH Apr 18, 2024 11:51 pm

Unauthorized person in UA cockpit during Colorado Rockies charter
 
Apparently, pilot(s) allowed someone to sit in pilot's seat at altitude w/ auto-pilot engaged. Why do people risk high-paying jobs by allowing something like this??? Dumb, dumb, dumb...

FAA, United investigate after video captures ‘unauthorized person’ in cockpit during flight chartered by Colorado Rockies (yahoo.com)

narvik Apr 19, 2024 2:11 am

"Someone" was supposedly a coach.

Video is quite disturbing, more so than I'd have expected:
https://onemileatatime.com/news/unit...ckpit-visitor/

physioprof Apr 19, 2024 2:15 am

This is absolutely bonkers!

TomMM Apr 19, 2024 2:26 am

Are charters operated under Part 121 or 135?

TalkingPoint Apr 19, 2024 2:48 am

I'm not sure this rule really makes us any safer. Especially on a charter. Europe doesn't have these same rules.

Lux Flyer Apr 19, 2024 5:02 am


Originally Posted by TalkingPoint (Post 36172094)
I'm not sure this rule really makes us any safer. Especially on a charter. Europe doesn't have these same rules.

This might change your opinion..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

VRFast Apr 19, 2024 5:47 am


Originally Posted by Lux Flyer (Post 36172282)
This might change your opinion..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

WOW, that's crazy. Yes stall speed increases with induced Gs. There are a lot of buttons, flight sticks and stuff in a cockpit, and accidentally hitting one could cause issues :eek:
Hopefully the PIC gets in trouble because of this. At least he had the brains to keep the FO in his seat and not invite another person up.

riphamilton Apr 19, 2024 5:56 am

link to video (sorry if it double posts):



cv11nyc Apr 19, 2024 5:57 am

Zero defense of this.

dinoscool3 Apr 19, 2024 7:01 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 36172483)
Charter..what does that mean? This guy rented out the plane for himself/family?

It is a sports charter....which you would see if you read the article...or even like the second post in this thread.

DLASflyer Apr 19, 2024 8:40 am


Originally Posted by dinoscool3 (Post 36172501)
It is a sports charter....which you would see if you read the article...or even like the second post in this thread.

Or even the title of the thread :)

zombietooth Apr 19, 2024 9:50 am


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 36171866)
Apparently, pilot(s) allowed someone to sit in pilot's seat at altitude w/ auto-pilot engaged. Why do people risk high-paying jobs by allowing something like this??? Dumb, dumb, dumb...

FAA, United investigate after video captures ‘unauthorized person’ in cockpit during flight chartered by Colorado Rockies (yahoo.com)

What's funny is that before 9/11, I was allowed in the cockpit many times while in flight. Were they doing something against the rules back then or are these rules post-9/11?

EWR764 Apr 19, 2024 9:57 am

Sports charters at United are still operated pursuant to Part 121. This is indefensible, not to mention the bad PR of this coming in the middle of the FAA review.

I do not expect either pilot to be flying for United ever again.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Apr 19, 2024 9:59 am

Not only someone unauthorized in seat, but others going in and out of cockpit, distracting co-pilot.

bmwe92fan Apr 19, 2024 9:59 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 36172918)
Sports charters at United are still operated pursuant to Part 121. This is indefensible, not to mention the bad PR of this coming in the middle of the FAA review.

I do not expect either pilot to be flying for United ever again.

Agree -- I would be surprised if it hasn't already happened unless there is some official process with the union that needs to be done first...


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