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no more lurking Feb 28, 2023 3:04 pm

"If you run into this again in the future, please go to the gate. The gate agent is the ultimate arbiter of who gets onto a flight and who does not. If nothing else, they could have put you onto standby and cleared you that way."

I was at the gate! The gate agent said if you didn't get a message on the app go to customer service. So I went too. the lounge customer service The 3 people I were with all got messages. I did not! I did exactly what I was instructed to do by UA people who were all polite and doing their best job. When I received the mail in their app and not the SMS telling me the flight was ready to board, I was quite annoyed.

"If you're advocating for a policy change, you want to write your congressman, not the DOT. They can't enforce a rule that doesn't exist. (I do not want any EC.261-style rules in the US, but reasonable people can differ. :)"

Good advice thanks!


"They didn't -- that's how Lux Flyer was able to go back and get it. The app shows the most recent information about a flight but the history stays around. UA isn't covering tracks.[/QUOTE]"

When I look up my profile on UA the orignal flights are not there. The email that they sent has also been deleted, except for the screen shot I took.

Thanks everyone for your help. It will help me craft a complaint letter not looking for any additional compensation, but requesting to know from UA what exactly went wrong that I could not be on that flight. And to please pull the tape and listen to it from the Employee #XXXX on the 14 Dec at the time I made the call (I wrote it all down) and explain to my why I had to go to the airport 6 hours before my flight to recheck my luggage. When that wasn't possible. This is what annoys me.

Also one question why would UA pay for my taxi home but not back the next day? Does anyone know what rule this is.

THANKS AGAIN FOLKS!!! I learned a lot today.

jsloan Feb 28, 2023 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by no more lurking (Post 35050169)
I was at the gate! The gate agent said if you didn't get a message on the app go to customer service. So I went too. the lounge customer service The 3 people I were with all got messages. I did not!

UA wasn't likely to split up your group. If three of you were asked to stay at the group, and the fourth wasn't, I would have assumed a messaging failure. I understand your thought process, but by leaving the gate, you also gave up on any chance of getting out that night.


Originally Posted by no more lurking (Post 35050169)
When I look up my profile on UA the orignal flights are not there. The email that they sent has also been deleted, except for the screen shot I took.

Correct, the original flights are not there because they've been removed from the record. As Lux Flyer was saying, they only display the most recent information to you, but it's all in their system.

Oh, and now that I realize what you were talking about in terms of an email to the app (those aren''t really emails -- it's more of a notification center, and yes, things expire)… that doesn't actually mean what you're implying it does anyway. :( I have gotten boarding notifications for flights that I wasn't on multiple times -- it seems that they keep a cached copy of the device list for their passengers, so if you change flights, sometimes you'll get a stale notification. So while it may have meant that a flight was boarding, it didn't necessarily mean that your flight was boarding. What did you see at that time when you were looking at the reservation?

no more lurking Feb 28, 2023 6:11 pm

The reservation had already been changed when I noticed the email in the app. BTW it said "Your flight to Milan is now boarding." It was at 10:29 flight was scheduled to take off at 11. I left the lounge at 1045 (like the gate agent agent instructed us) and never thought to check the app as I had boarding passes for the next day.The APP classified it as an email.

jsloan Feb 28, 2023 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by no more lurking (Post 35050524)
The reservation had already been changed when I noticed the email in the app. BTW it said "Your flight to Milan is now boarding." It was at 10:29 flight was scheduled to take off at 11. I left the lounge at 1045 (like the gate agent agent instructed us) and never thought to check the app as I had boarding passes for the next day.The APP classified it as an email.

Yep, I'm familiar with the message. And, yes, I know the app puts it into an "inbox." Anyway, (a) it didn't mean you had a seat on the replacement flight at any time and (b) UA isn't surreptitiously trying to hide it; it just expired naturally.

I don't mean to minimize your frustration, and I hope you get good answers to your questions -- particularly the one about why you were asked to get to the airport "as soon as possible," which was just mind-bendingly bad advice. :(

Hopefully your next trip will go more smoothly. :) Good luck!

ContinentalFan Mar 2, 2023 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by JAXPax (Post 35047615)
I am writing this from the perspective of someone who has spent the better part of the last 20 years in airline management, both headquarters and as an operational leader (I ran a station that had about 45 mainline flights a day - not with United though). In these roles, I was prompted to investigate or respond to complaints. Now, I'm working in another sector of the industry where I travel as "just another civilian" with a few elite statuses.

I would not recommend writing DOT as one of your first courses of action. DOT is, for lack of a better term, the nuclear option. The airline's goal is to avoid a DOT complaint. I would write to the carrier, being sure to document the timeline, and if you do not get satisfactory resolution, then to follow up suggesting involving DOT to facilitate action (rather than a threat). At my last carrier (about 11 years there), once a customer wrote to the DOT without giving us opportunity to first resolve, you were essentially dead to us as far as helpfulness. You get the bare minimum, which is going to be a written response within the prescribed timeline. Niceties that are discretionary over and above like vouchers, bonus miles, etc., aren't as forthcoming because you've gone ahead and done what those items are meant to discourage.

As anything, your mileage may vary dependent on your loyalty or worth as a customer, frequency/pattern of complaints/etc. Most complaints to DOT outside of massive travel disruptions quite frankly are about things people should have known better about in the first place, like paying for a checked bag or a flight canceled due to weather and they didn't like the rebooking. Of course whenever someone hears something they don't like or agree with, the messenger is suddenly "rude" and so forth.

As a frequent flyer, I've had more luck with the rare complaint getting the airline to resolve it without going to DOT. Even one today with Frontier... (schedule change eliminated my nonstop itinerary on day of week, online wouldn't rebook me for 2 days later, chat with reservations who collected a fare difference then hit me with a reservations agent ticketing fee, making credit card charge exceed what the agent said they were charging). I got it escalated with the carrier and have a check for the amount owed, which is only like $70, coming. I've had more compliments sent in to United than complaints but they tend to give some sort of resolution, especially if proposed something reasonable.

As an FYI on emailing executives, I'm sure everyone knows their real email address is going to be something like scott.kirby8242 to divert outside emails to an assistant or someone from customer care.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

The description of how your carrier responded is interesting and differs from my experience with Continental and United.

When I’ve reached out to United with an issue, I’ve made it clear to CS agents that I don’t need miles, an apology, etc.: I’m not the problem that needs to be fixed. If it fails, I press the button: the DOT.

The DOT route—I’ve used it maybe four or five times since 1993 has been great. I’ve gotten a call from someone in the “executive office,” as it was once described. They listen to the complaint and genuinely want to fix it.

The first time I used it, I was given the direct phone number to the senior director, who called me about the problem. He asked me to use it with any future complaints. He used a great line “let’s cut out the middleman,” meaning the DOT, so that he could handle the complaint directly. I was impressed; I never used the number and didn’t file another complaint until 2008 (I got another call!)

I don’t know if that approach by United happens anymore, but it definitely impressed me.

I am a fan of the DOT complaint option, but only if United truly drops the ball and an effort to resolve the issue ends up with CS trying to fix you and not the issue at hand!

fastair Mar 2, 2023 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by ContinentalFan (Post 35056336)

The DOT route—I’ve used it maybe four or five times since 1993 has been great. I’ve gotten a call from someone in the “executive office,” as it was once described. They listen to the complaint and genuinely want to fix it.

"EXO" (executive offices) as it was called was a series of buildings at 1200 Algonquin Rd, which served as the home to thousands of employees, the operation center, and the flight attendant training center/hotel. Customer relations was one of the hundreds of departments in that complex. It was mostly discontinued with the move to Willis tower, and is now bulldozed, and will be the future 567,000 square foot data center owned by "cloudhq"

LimeyFlyer Mar 2, 2023 9:19 pm

I read a few of the responses including that of JAXPAX, and vehemently disagree with JP!

f you complain once, then that's the airlines chance to fix an issue properly. No more repeated emails pleading etc.

Personally, I am not going to spend my time escalating once, escalating twice, going through all the blockages that the system is designed to put in your way. The very fact that the airline hates DoT complaints is all the more reason to give them one chance and then just go to DoT. That is the only way the airline is going to at least potentially make an attempt to resolve issues sooner and not try and stall going forward. The person you are complaining to at the airline gets paid. for emailing back and forth You don't.

In my view, the airline gets one chance, then, if available, DoT. Anything other than that encourages the airline to spin things out.

Just my view :-)

no more lurking Apr 30, 2023 11:59 am

Update
 
Just wanted to update with what happened in case it can help others. I replied to the answer of second email I sent to UA where I asked to escalate and they didn't. By doing this I was able to avoid the limited characters that UA puts unto place in the initial emails. I explained my situation in a matter of fact way (stating that I had not only received an SMS on the app but also an email to my regular email account). After approx 6 weeks, I received a personal email from united informing me that they had credited an additional $400.00 to the initial $200.00. That seems to be fair in my book.

MrAndy1369 Apr 30, 2023 1:06 pm

Sounds like a fair resolution! Sorry you had to go through all this.

chriis219 Aug 4, 2023 7:28 am

Best way to submit a complaint
 
Had many issues on business class award flights to Europe. I submitted a claim through customer care and got some standard $200 credit response. I would like to get some miles credited back for my experience. Can I email 1k voice with my complaint even though I’m not 1k? Any other avenues I should explore l?

WineCountryUA Aug 4, 2023 10:13 am

I would suggest trying customer care again however, the ETC is the standard option. If you prefer miles instead ETC, that can be arranged.
It would be unusual to ETC and miles, but you can ask.
If not 1K, you should not use the 1K channels and may be deleted.

Eastbay1K Dec 25, 2023 1:16 pm

Glad I found this thread. Yesterday I experienced one of the most unplesant crews in probably 3mm across various airlines. I completed the customer care online complaint form. 90% of the complaint was the crew, 10% was streaming IFE/Wifi issues. It is as if the crew issue was ignored completely. I'd not have complained but for the atrocious crew. I received a reply re: my disappointment with IFE and received 7500 miles within 15 minutes of submission. The simple fact is that the FA should be written up - at least half the J cabin were rolling their eyes at some of his conduct, and we were discussing him while disembarking and by baggage claim. But the CC reply didn't even address the issue. Not looking for more comp. Does anyone really read these things, or does Level 1 CC just see "IFE," push F2, and the boilerplate populate the reply?

WineCountryUA Dec 25, 2023 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 35849190)
Glad I found this thread. Yesterday I experienced one of the most unplesant crews in probably 3mm across various airlines. I completed the customer care online complaint form. 90% of the complaint was the crew, 10% was streaming IFE/Wifi issues. It is as if the crew issue was ignored completely. I'd not have complained but for the atrocious crew. I received a reply re: my disappointment with IFE and received 7500 miles within 15 minutes of submission. The simple fact is that the FA should be written up - at least half the J cabin were rolling their eyes at some of his conduct, and we were discussing him while disembarking and by baggage claim. But the CC reply didn't even address the issue. Not looking for more comp. Does anyone really read these things, or does Level 1 CC just see "IFE," push F2, and the boilerplate populate the reply?

While it could be that, on crew issues you generally would not expect any reply on how those will be addressed. Stating a employee would receive specific disciplinary action would generally be restricted due to privacy issues and general company policy and/or union agreements. This is not unique for UA and generally the same across the corporate world.

Eastbay1K Dec 25, 2023 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 35849203)
While it could be that, on crew issues you generally would not expect any reply on how those will be addressed. Stating a employee would receive specific disciplinary action would generally be restricted due to privacy issues and general company policy and/or union agreements. This is not unique for UA and generally the same across the corporate world.

Not asking for specifics, just an acknowledgement that someone has read and will forward my concerns. Because with your premise, had I not mentioned the IFE, there would have been no reply at all.

Lux Flyer Dec 25, 2023 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 35849209)
Not asking for specifics, just an acknowledgement that someone has read and will forward my concerns. Because with your premise, had I not mentioned the IFE, there would have been no reply at all.

I mean if you got a response within 15 minutes of submitting, high chance it was an automated response addressing the issue that they provide compensation for and can discuss further with a passenger (IFE). It will likely still end up with a human to review and take action based on based on the rest of the contents (and confirm the automation took sufficient action), but it's not like they're going communicate an employee-employer related action to a customer, let alone customer care even being privvy to that beyond forwarding it on.

If you don't feel like your concern was sufficiently addressed, you can always reply back to the email they sent.


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