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UA1 (SFO-SIN) diverting to HNL 04 Sept 2022

UA1 (SFO-SIN) diverting to HNL 04 Sept 2022

Old Sep 4, 22, 8:52 am
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UA1 (SFO-SIN) diverting to HNL 04 Sept 2022

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0001/03SEP
P SFO/OUT 1121P L00.21 EST OFF 1140PCONNECTIONS
P SFO/OFF 1147P
P HNL/ETA 500A
F HNL/ETD 547A
N SIN/LX
D FCF/DVRT HNL ENRT SFO-SIN A/

SKED SFO ORIG 1100P GTD G3 SHIP 3968
SIN 615A TERM 2 GTA HOLD

47 minutes on the ground, that's likely to offload a pax based on the time (medical, disruptive)? Anyone have any information?
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Old Sep 4, 22, 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by Antarius View Post
47 minutes on the ground, that's likely to offload a pax based on the time (medical, disruptive)? Anyone have any information?
FLIFO always posts a wildly unrealistic ETD for a divert.

SIN/LX implies the flight will terminate in HNL.
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Old Sep 4, 22, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by findark View Post
FLIFO always posts a wildly unrealistic ETD for a divert.

SIN/LX implies the flight will terminate in HNL.
Thanks. the UA Flight status just updated with HNL-SIN canceled.

Your flight is canceled because your crew did not have sufficient off-duty/rest time required by federal law
Assuming a replacement crew will come in on another flight and it will continue on to SIN eventually? Have family on the flight with pets so concerned.
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Thanks. the UA Flight status just updated with HNL-SIN canceled.



Assuming a replacement crew will come in on another flight and it will continue on to SIN eventually? Have family on the flight with pets so concerned.
At least this diversion is to a major UA line station, so pets should be handled appropriately, though staffing up for handling the arrival at that hour could take some time. Looks like it will depart tonight at 11pm as UA3012.
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Old Sep 4, 22, 9:03 am
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Assuming a replacement crew will come in on another flight and it will continue on to SIN eventually? Have family on the flight with pets so concerned.
Crew rest issues don’t come up mid-flight. Either a crew member got sick after departure or this was something they had already planned for. In the former case, the delay might be rather lengthy. In the latter case, the delay at HNL is likely to be fairly minimal because the replacement crew would already have been prepared. If they didn’t have a crew in HNL that could operate the flight, and they knew about a rest issue in advance, there’d be little reason to leave SFO in the first place.

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At least this diversion is to a major UA line station, so pets should be handled appropriately, though staffing up for handling the arrival at that hour could take some time. Looks like it will depart tonight at 11pm as UA3012.
11 PM sounds like they’re using the same crew, presumably except for whomever got ill (just a guess based on the timing).
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Old Sep 4, 22, 9:05 am
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At least this diversion is to a major UA line station, so pets should be handled appropriately, though staffing up for handling the arrival at that hour could take some time. Looks like it will depart tonight at 11pm as UA3012.
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Crew rest issues don’t come up mid-flight. Either a crew member got sick after departure or this was something they had already planned for. In the former case, the delay might be rather lengthy. In the latter case, the delay at HNL is likely to be fairly minimal because the replacement crew would already have been prepared. If they didn’t have a crew in HNL that could operate the flight, and they knew about a rest issue in advance, there’d be little reason to leave SFO in the first place.
Yes, they can. The flight diverted for whatever reason adding several hours to the flight, so that is likely what caused the crew to time out.
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Yes, they can. The flight diverted for whatever reason adding several hours to the flight, so that is likely what caused the crew to time out.
OK, fair. They could have diverted for another reason, at which point the crew rest rules would definitely come into play when trying to resume the flight. My point was that they wouldnt divert for crew rest the crew wouldnt get into the air and then suddenly realize that they were about to go illegal.
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OK, fair. They could have diverted for another reason, at which point the crew rest rules would definitely come into play when trying to resume the flight. My point was that they wouldn’t divert for crew rest — the crew wouldn’t get into the air and then suddenly realize that they were about to go illegal.
I would imagine if SFO-SIN had to divert anywhere for any reason. Simply the extra time to land - open a door - close door etc would probably be enough to time out - those flights are extremely close to max duty day. Due to block time of 16+ hours, i think they start off with the 2 extra, if they had 3 extra they could technically go to 20 hours - but if they only had the 2 extra they are limited to 18 hours - which if the flight is blocked for 16H 30M to start - then they have 90 min for the entire diversion to happen. This will probably also mean refueling etc - so that isn't much time.

(4) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 14 hours, but no more than 16 hours, if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least one flight attendant in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(5) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 16 hours, but no more than 18 hours, if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least two flight attendants in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(6) A certificate holder conducting domestic, flag, or supplemental operations may assign a flight attendant to a scheduled duty period of more than 18 hours, but no more than 20 hours, if the scheduled duty period includes one or more flights that land or take off outside the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia, and if the certificate holder has assigned to the flight or flights in that duty period at least three flight attendants in addition to the minimum flight attendant complement required for the flight or flights in that duty period under the domestic certificate holder's operations specifications.
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Medical diversion.

UA 1: Your flight diverted to Honolulu because of a medical emergency. We have canceled your original flight and we're in the process of rebooking you on a new flight, UA 3012, that will be departing for Singapore at 11:00pm. We're sorry for this disruption to your travels.
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(4) A certificate holder conducting domestic,...
It looks like you're quoted the old rules from 14 CFR 121. That has been superseded by 14 CFR 117.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/part-117
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OK, fair. They could have diverted for another reason, at which point the crew rest rules would definitely come into play when trying to resume the flight. My point was that they wouldnt divert for crew rest the crew wouldnt get into the air and then suddenly realize that they were about to go illegal.
Yeah - I read the site reason as the crew timed out because of the diversion. In this case looks like it was medical.
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My brother is on the flight - just texted us from HNL. He said diversion is due to sick pax, and they are planning to leave late tonight. Looks like it will land almost 24 hours late.

yeah, I guess crew time out would cause a long delay like this.
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Yeah - I read the site reason as the crew timed out because of the diversion.
I suspect that's close to guaranteed with a diversion on a flight that long.
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Looked at the tracking, they were past HNL going West and had to turn back SE towards HNL. So not planned.

Hopefully the sick passenger is OK. Listened to the tower and they did not use lifeguard designation, is that still a thing or just not necessary when you are the only aircraft in the area at 0430 local?

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Looked at the tracking, they were past HNL going West and had to turn back SE towards HNL. So not planned.

Hopefully the sick passenger is OK. Listened to the tower and they did not use lifeguard designation, is that still a thing or just not necessary when you are the only aircraft in the area at 0430 local?

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Typically "lifeguard" is used with time-sensitive medical cargo (e.g., organs, critical medevac), not an inflight medical emergency.
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