Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 34553887)
To be clear, my mid-October prediction pertains mostly to the Zhongnanhai meeting (not to United flying nonstop to China or Hong Kong).
And now back to regularly scheduled programming, for UA HKG will be 1-2 X daily when things settle down, SFO and then maybe EWR or ORD. The world has changed and moved on. Anyone noticed how much India flying UA has been picking up? During the peak of pandemic 5X daily to India? And that's passenger flights, not cargo. I think India may end up with a lot of UA's former China/HKG capacity. |
Originally Posted by uanj
(Post 34553895)
Yeah, I got your meaning! I don't have anywhere near the same confidence that you have but in my heart I hope you are right!
And now back to regularly scheduled programming, for UA HKG will be 1-2 X daily when things settle down, SFO and then maybe EWR or ORD. The world has changed and moved on. Anyone noticed how much India flying UA has been picking up? During the peak of pandemic 5X daily to India? And that's passenger flights, not cargo. I think India may end up with a lot of UA's former China/HKG capacity. |
Originally Posted by uanj
(Post 34553895)
And now back to regularly scheduled programming, for UA HKG will be 1-2 X daily when things settle down, SFO and then maybe EWR or ORD. The world has changed and moved on.
Anyone noticed how much India flying UA has been picking up? During the peak of pandemic 5X daily to India? And that's passenger flights, not cargo. I think India may end up with a lot of UA's former China/HKG capacity. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 34553887)
To be clear, my mid-October prediction pertains mostly to the Zhongnanhai meeting (not to United flying nonstop to China or Hong Kong).
With all that doom and gloom I posited above, I do think there are some rays of hope and UA will offer a N/S flight from SFO to SGN or BKK sometime in the next year or two. |
Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 34553938)
HK will support 1 UA flight a day at most going forward. Guam isn't getting a N/S from the continental USA. UA will continue to serve China thru PVG only for the foreseeable future.
With all that doom and gloom I posited above, I do think there are some rays of hope and UA will offer a N/S flight from SFO to SGN or BKK sometime in the next year or two. |
Originally Posted by lsquare
(Post 34553900)
It has to be EWR before ORD, right?
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Originally Posted by IAHMCI
(Post 34554155)
I think the Russian airspace issue will make the return of EWR challenging
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 34553938)
HK will support 1 UA flight a day at most going forward. Guam isn't getting a N/S from the continental USA. UA will continue to serve China thru PVG only for the foreseeable future.
With all that doom and gloom I posited above, I do think there are some rays of hope and UA will offer a N/S flight from SFO to SGN or BKK sometime in the next year or two. -make 857/858 daily (only 3 days short now) -EWR-PVG -SFO-PEK -ORD-PEK -ORD-PVG -EWR-PEK -maybe CTU, HGK, or XIY (apparently these cities don't fall under the bilateral) (I'm not sure they have enough airplanes to do all of that, but even half would be a vast improvement.) HKG is a completely separate issue. TMK, they could restart SFO-HKG any time. I just can't imagine many people would fly it if there was a crew change. Remember, unlike SFO-PVG, there are nonstop options. |
Originally Posted by tcdtcd
(Post 34552822)
At one point, and for several years, ORD-HKG was 2x daily, initially both 744, then one each 747/777, then both 777. Same with NRT.
Can’t remember when it went to 1x daily (2010?) Perhaps our resident expert ORDnHKGhas more accurate information than I have, |
Originally Posted by dkc192
(Post 34554165)
CX has made JFK-HKG work with a mix of 77Ws, A359s, and A351s. UA should be able to make EWR-HKG work with 77Ws or 789s, if they want to fly it.
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 34555046)
the A359, A351 has longer range than 77W or 789s. 77W would have to have very favorable flight conditions to make a over 17 hour flight that CX is operating and you still have the crew quarantine issue
I wonder if CX is simply transiting Russian airspace. |
Pretty sure US based airlines are avoiding use of Russian airspace (v say AI which does run SFO-DEL).
That would suggest SFO-HKG as the first and perhaps only option for some time, if and when UA resumes to HKG. With so many China routes limited or simply canceled, where are those aircraft flying? Should UA press harder on alternative endpoint additions to the network? I’d welcome it. |
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 34555163)
An EWR-HKG route that avoids Russian airspace is about 8700 mi (vs. 8065 nonstop). That's about the same length as LAX-SIN, so the 789 has the legs for it, but it may require blocking some seats or a fuel stop in Anchorage when the winds are strong.
Recent CX841 EWR-HKG are 17 hours plus, some over 17:30 -- at least an extra hour of flight time on most days. Even in June there were 17 hour trips Outside the range of reliability year round UA aircraft operation
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 34555163)
.... I wonder if CX is simply transiting Russian airspace.
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
(Post 34555216)
Pretty sure US based airlines are avoiding use of Russian airspace (v say AI which does run SFO-DEL).
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