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“UA has decided to temporarily suspend transiting Russian airspace"SFO-DEL/BOM impact

“UA has decided to temporarily suspend transiting Russian airspace"SFO-DEL/BOM impact

Old Feb 28, 2022, 6:11 pm
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“UA has decided to temporarily suspend transiting Russian airspace"SFO-DEL/BOM impact

It appears the SFO-[ICN]-PVG route is a blessing in disguise right now, as SFO-ICN doesn't go into Russian airspace.
Are there any other, current UA flights that UA needs to worry about if/when Russian airspace is off-limits?
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 6:18 pm
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East Coast to Asia would be impacted, but it looks like they may be accounting for this already. E.g., UA79 EWR-NRT has found itself a new route since last week, already even on 21Feb. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...630Z/KEWR/RJAA
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 6:21 pm
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SFO-DEL and the future BOM, otherwise beleive SFO-Japan flights are OK
EWR-DEL can/ has reroute, as have EWR-NRT
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by fumje
.... UA79 EWR-NRT has found itself a new route since last week, already even on 21Feb. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...630Z/KEWR/RJAA
Nice, well done, UA!


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Old Feb 28, 2022, 7:40 pm
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It's not a factor now (the flight is restricted due to COVID), but UA179 EWR-HKG often goes "east" of the North Pole during the winter, and south over Russia to HKG. This happens when the north Pacific jet stream is especially strong; I'm not sure a "west" of pole routing would work without a fuel stop or going out with significant load limits.

I just looked at SQ23 (JFK-SIN), using the A359 and wow! 18:40 flight time. See attached.

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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:00 pm
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India will probably need tech stops, from east coast or west coast, unless the winds are really favorable.

Singapore can use creative routings unless the winds are unfavorable on both sides.

Everything else should be OK, possibly slightly longer depending on winds.
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:12 pm
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For India, have a look at the Air Canada flights to get an idea. Stop in DUB required.
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:16 pm
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So far, the EWR-India flights seem to be flying their normal paths. For instance, UA830...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...840Z/VABB/KEWR
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:25 pm
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Originally Posted by socalflying
So far, the EWR-India flights seem to be flying their normal paths. For instance, UA830...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...840Z/VABB/KEWR
that's BOM-EWR going west,
easterly EWR-BOM with more favorable winds allows a more interesting reroute
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...335Z/KEWR/VABB



easterly the EWR-DEL with more favorable winds allows a similar more interesting reroute
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...220Z/KEWR/VIDP



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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
that's BOM-EWR going west,
easterly EWR-BOM with more favorable winds allows a more interesting reroute
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...335Z/KEWR/VABB



easterly the EWR-DEL with more favorable winds allows a similar more interesting reroute
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...220Z/KEWR/VIDP


Oops, got my flight #'s mixed up....thanks for clarifying.
However, still interesting that BOM-EWR is still overflying Russia. Wonder when/if that comes to an end.
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:36 pm
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IIRC, wasn’t FRA used a few years ago when Pakistan airspace was closed? Probably a good option if it comes to it
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 8:57 pm
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This surely cannot bode well for SFO-BLR, can it?
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by angetenar
This surely cannot bode well for SFO-BLR, can it?
In terms of distance SFO-ICN-BLR is not a huge amount longer.
A map from Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

There is quite probably more of a penalty when jetstream figured in.

However, SFO-BLR doesn't appear to be a route they realistically plan on serving any time soon, no matter what routing is required.
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Old Feb 28, 2022, 10:48 pm
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I posted in another thread - but a fascinating few days for this flight. Cancelled on Feb 27th, and on that day the EWR-DEL and ORD-DEL both took a Mediterranean & Gulf route, apparently clearly avoiding western Russian airspace. 867 is back in the air today (Feb 28th) and appears to be heading North and taking it's recent usual route, but I'm curious to see what transpires. On this one next week!

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Old Feb 28, 2022, 11:00 pm
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Hmmmm, I wonder if ANC will become popular again for EU carriers going to East Asia. Before the opening of Soviet Airspace, going over the north pole and via ANC was common.
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