United Airlines Fleet Updates [2022 Edition]
Jul 9, 2022, 10:56 am
#331
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UA prioritized shorter range AC v the planes bring put on the longest mission. And now can’t even minimize the risk by isolating the old planes on certain routes. Deplorable
Jul 9, 2022, 11:10 am
#332
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Being able to complain about the relative comfort of one flat-bed business class seat vs another while flying nonstop halfway around the world and call it “deplorable” is the definition of a blessed life.
Jul 9, 2022, 11:37 am
#333
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It continues to astonish me that people are so eager for UA to complete its transition from 6-across seating to 8-across seating. 1D/1E on an unconverted 787 are two of the best seats in UA’s fleet.
Jul 10, 2022, 3:31 am
#335
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Plus you ignore Premium plus. That is binary - the AC has it or doesn’t.
We can hope the 764s abruptly stop being converted though.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jul 10, 2022 at 10:23 am Reason: let's not go there
Jul 12, 2022, 11:02 pm
#336
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772PW Restart Update (34 with below):
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N768UA Dom exited VCV 2739/12Jul
Jul 14, 2022, 10:12 pm
#338
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772PW Restart:
N768UA 1st Revenue flight 2276/14Jul
N204UA 1st REvenue flight sked 2213/15Jul
UA Paint Update:
739 75410 sked to enter AMA 2731/15July for EvoBlu livery
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772ER/GE N78003 yes to regular maint
N768UA 1st Revenue flight 2276/14Jul
N204UA 1st REvenue flight sked 2213/15Jul
UA Paint Update:
739 75410 sked to enter AMA 2731/15July for EvoBlu livery
73G N16701 sked to exit AMA 2716/15Jul in EvoBlu livery
772ER/GE N78003 yes to regular maint
Jul 15, 2022, 7:03 am
#339
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Jul 15, 2022, 8:53 am
#340
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Yes. The Polaris “1-2-1” is 8-across seating. That’s how they were able to squeeze all of the aisle-access seats into the cabin.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
Jul 15, 2022, 9:20 am
#341
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Yes. The Polaris “1-2-1” is 8-across seating. That’s how they were able to squeeze all of the aisle-access seats into the cabin.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
Take a look at the layout for the forward section of the 789:
)There are 32 seats reconfigured vs 30 seats unconverted, and the reconfigured version has nibbled away at closet and lav space. So it's just about the same density of bodies overall.
Jul 15, 2022, 9:26 am
#342
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It's a more efficient use of the space. I suppose it can be argued it's 8 across, but drawing a line through the center of each seat, it's 1-2-1. For real 8 across, see the 772 HD. Regardless, it's not a bad seat, at least not on the 777s. A bit too tight on the 787s. Seat cushion is not as comfortable as the IPTE seat was (RIP).
Jul 15, 2022, 10:15 am
#343
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Yes. The Polaris “1-2-1” is 8-across seating. That’s how they were able to squeeze all of the aisle-access seats into the cabin.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
The degree of overlap is the difference, but I can't see the argument in calling Polaris 8-across without saying the same of other products. When talking about number of seats abreast, the key point is usually distance from an aisle, and with Polaris, it is all-aisle-access. That really was the key design objective for the product, alongside preserving density over the prior generation seat. It might not be the most comfortable J product in existence, but I think it's among the more elegant solutions for a high-density J configuration, and has enabled UA to maintain a comparatively high premium ratio.
Jul 15, 2022, 11:06 am
#344
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Yes. The Polaris “1-2-1” is 8-across seating. That’s how they were able to squeeze all of the aisle-access seats into the cabin.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
If you look across a cross-section of the cabin, you’re going to find four upper bodies and four lower bodies, interleaved. Part of the reason that seat manufacturers have you put your legs into cubbies is to hide that fact.
Jul 15, 2022, 11:17 am
#345
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Polaris takes up more room than the 6 across product. Indeed the 764 shows that with a reduction from 39 to 34. Other aircraft have lavs/closets/galleys reduced or moved to accommodate the pods.
True 8 across is the 777 PP cabin, with 18.5 in. vs. 20 in. seat widths of Polaris. Or, the outdated forward & back facing 772 Domestic First product (19 in. width.
All-aisle access comes at a cost, even though Polaris is pretty efficient. There's more individual space and privacy vs the Diamond product. I don't care if you call it 8 across, even though rows only have 4 seats on the seating chart.
Tome the only thing the Diamond does better is traveling with a companion.
True 8 across is the 777 PP cabin, with 18.5 in. vs. 20 in. seat widths of Polaris. Or, the outdated forward & back facing 772 Domestic First product (19 in. width.
All-aisle access comes at a cost, even though Polaris is pretty efficient. There's more individual space and privacy vs the Diamond product. I don't care if you call it 8 across, even though rows only have 4 seats on the seating chart.
Tome the only thing the Diamond does better is traveling with a companion.