US westbound fuel stops (Late Dec 2021)
Dec 27, 2021, 11:37 am
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LAS doesn't have any viable alternates anywhere nearby. It's LAX/ONT/SAN, PHX, SLC or RNO. All these don't have good weather tonight.
Dec 27, 2021, 7:55 pm
#32
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Well, premerger CO was pretty notorious for occasionally needing fuel stops in Canada or Bangor for its extensive 757 fleet especially during winter flights from Europe to EWR. It was notorious to the UA crowd because UA only used widebodies from Europe not susceptible to this scenario.
Dec 27, 2021, 8:14 pm
#33
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Well, premerger CO was pretty notorious for occasionally needing fuel stops in Canada or Bangor for its extensive 757 fleet especially during winter flights from Europe to EWR. It was notorious to the UA crowd because UA only used widebodies from Europe not susceptible to this scenario.
1) CO was flying to secondary/tertiary cities in Europe with 752s (generally all in the British Isles) that pmUA didn't fly to.
2) pmUA never had a narrowbody a/c that could fly TATL anyway.
Last edited by JimInOhio; Dec 27, 2021 at 8:22 pm
Dec 27, 2021, 8:16 pm
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I was curious about UA 2477 on 12/27, because a family member is on the flight. It shows the scheduled (and eventually in flight with a delay) route EWR-SMF, and then lists segments EWR-MSP and MSP-SMF as canceled (with the originally scheduled EWR departure time). Does this mean they were planning (or thinking they might need) a refueling stop at MSP, and then decided they didn't need it? The other oddity is that it shows MSP-SMF as a 22-minute flight.
Dec 27, 2021, 8:20 pm
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I was curious about UA 2477 on 12/27, because a family member is on the flight. It shows the scheduled (and eventually in flight with a delay) route EWR-SMF, and then lists segments EWR-MSP and MSP-SMF as canceled (with the originally scheduled EWR departure time). Does this mean they were planning (or thinking they might need) a refueling stop at MSP, and then decided they didn't need it? The other oddity is that it shows MSP-SMF as a 22-minute flight.
Dec 27, 2021, 8:32 pm
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I was curious about UA 2477 on 12/27, because a family member is on the flight. It shows the scheduled (and eventually in flight with a delay) route EWR-SMF, and then lists segments EWR-MSP and MSP-SMF as canceled (with the originally scheduled EWR departure time). Does this mean they were planning (or thinking they might need) a refueling stop at MSP, and then decided they didn't need it? The other oddity is that it shows MSP-SMF as a 22-minute flight.
Dec 27, 2021, 10:22 pm
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Dec 29, 2021, 7:04 am
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Currently in the air on UA354 BWI-(STL)-SFO and they are hammering the message that this is due to strong headwinds, that any airline operating a 738 would have the same problem so it's not unique to United, blah blah blah. I think at this point the GAs mentioned it twice before boarding (saying it was either this or VDB 30+ pax), FAs during boarding, and the pilots at least twice now.
I get that they're probably keen to ward off complaints proactively, but it's getting a bit tedious
I get that they're probably keen to ward off complaints proactively, but it's getting a bit tedious
Dec 29, 2021, 7:27 am
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Currently in the air on UA354 BWI-(STL)-SFO and they are hammering the message that this is due to strong headwinds, that any airline operating a 738 would have the same problem so it's not unique to United, blah blah blah. I think at this point the GAs mentioned it twice before boarding (saying it was either this or VDB 30+ pax), FAs during boarding, and the pilots at least twice now.
I get that they're probably keen to ward off complaints proactively, but it's getting a bit tedious
I get that they're probably keen to ward off complaints proactively, but it's getting a bit tedious
Not trying to step on toes here but most travelers are oblivious with the nuances and technical limitations involved with flying.
As a pilot I will tend to over communicate rather than leave pax in the dark on what’s happening. Maybe I’m overdue, but I’ve never gotten a passenger complaint about giving too much information over the PA.
Last edited by clubord; Dec 29, 2021 at 7:37 pm
Dec 29, 2021, 7:34 am
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Dec 31, 2021, 6:19 pm
#42
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I was on UA1742 IAD-SFO (Dec 25th) and we needed to make a fuel stop in Denver because the plane was fully booked and overweight for the distance. Did not enjoy the extra 1.5hrs on the plane.
Dec 31, 2021, 10:03 pm
#43
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Weather models still showing crazy 200 mph jet stream over southern Iowa and Nebraska. But looks like pattern shift is coming over the next week that will knock this back under 100 mph.
https://weatherstreet.com/models/gfs...d-forecast.php
https://weatherstreet.com/models/gfs...d-forecast.php
Jan 1, 2022, 11:42 am
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UA 686 yesterday (12/31)
Anyone in a position to know what happened? Nonstop IAD-SAN diverted to MCI after first noting a diversion to Omaha. Continued on to SAN.
i wound up taking a later flight…curiosity only.
i wound up taking a later flight…curiosity only.
Jan 1, 2022, 11:53 am
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