UA868 DEL-SFO flight path
Aug 25, 2021, 5:19 pm
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UA868 DEL-SFO flight path
As of Aug 25, 2021, this UA commercial flight still pass through Afghanistan territory while the entire country has zero flight except military flights..
Aug 25, 2021, 5:47 pm
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Note the flight path is outside of Afghanistan (except for a tiny sliver) and at 34,000 feet -- while outside of the range of handheld missiles. This is the path UA has used for some time. Has it gotten riskier? Not aware of any NOTAM
Aug 25, 2021, 10:21 pm
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The airspace is currently uncontrolled per NOTAM G1264/21 among others (some foreign ones were issued when it was unclear Kabul FIR would be able to issue one), and US flights are prohibited per NOTAM A0024/21 with the exception of flights to/from Kabul and this route P500-G500 that UAL took here.
There's still civil flights to/from Kabul, including US operators. Mostly the types with very generic liveries and faint registration numbers.
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Aug 25, 2021, 10:43 pm
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Also the airspace is currently uncontrolled per NOTAM G1264/21 among others (some foreign ones were issued when it was unclear Kabul FIR would be able to issue one), and US flights are prohibited per NOTAM A0024/21 with the exception of flights to/from Kabul and this route P500-G500 that UAL took here. ....
Also the airspace is currently uncontrolled per NOTAM G1264/21 among others (some foreign ones were issued when it was unclear Kabul FIR would be able to issue one), and US flights are prohibited per NOTAM A0024/21 with the exception of flights to/from Kabul and this route P500-G500 that UAL took here. ....
a map of the allowed route UA is using
Yes charters are still operating -- Blackwater and the separate "rogue" HR conress guys are two notable examples
Aug 26, 2021, 1:45 am
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That is the one airway that remains open: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/the-aviation-situation-in-afghanistan/
The US FAA issued a security NOTAM restricting access to the Kabul FIR (Afghanistan airspace), except for the P500-G500 jet route that transits the narrow Wakhan Corridor in eastern Afghanistan. At the point of crossing, aircraft spend about 2 minutes in Afghan airspace between Pakistan and Tajikistan.
The US FAA issued a security NOTAM restricting access to the Kabul FIR (Afghanistan airspace), except for the P500-G500 jet route that transits the narrow Wakhan Corridor in eastern Afghanistan. At the point of crossing, aircraft spend about 2 minutes in Afghan airspace between Pakistan and Tajikistan.
Aug 26, 2021, 12:48 pm
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very informative thx!
Aug 26, 2021, 3:19 pm
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That is the one airway that remains open: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/the-aviation-situation-in-afghanistan/
The US FAA issued a security NOTAM restricting access to the Kabul FIR (Afghanistan airspace), except for the P500-G500 jet route that transits the narrow Wakhan Corridor in eastern Afghanistan. At the point of crossing, aircraft spend about 2 minutes in Afghan airspace between Pakistan and Tajikistan.
The US FAA issued a security NOTAM restricting access to the Kabul FIR (Afghanistan airspace), except for the P500-G500 jet route that transits the narrow Wakhan Corridor in eastern Afghanistan. At the point of crossing, aircraft spend about 2 minutes in Afghan airspace between Pakistan and Tajikistan.
Taliban on ATC freq: United 868, you have flown into airspace over Afg. Land immediately.
UAL 868: United 868, sorry what? . . . . [fiddle with dials] . . . please say again . . . [two minutes later] . . . oh, roger that . . . [continue flying] . . .
Aug 26, 2021, 7:24 pm
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Would it go something like this?
Taliban on ATC freq: United 868, you have flown into airspace over Afg. Land immediately.
UAL 868: United 868, sorry what? . . . . [fiddle with dials] . . . please say again . . . [two minutes later] . . . oh, roger that . . . [continue flying] . . .
Taliban on ATC freq: United 868, you have flown into airspace over Afg. Land immediately.
UAL 868: United 868, sorry what? . . . . [fiddle with dials] . . . please say again . . . [two minutes later] . . . oh, roger that . . . [continue flying] . . .
Aug 27, 2021, 1:48 pm
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I don’t know if it was terrain or terror, But I noticed on 2010-2017 flights from EWR-DEL/BOM that we would fly a bit higher over Afghanistan- usually 3-4K feet- than over Russia and Pakistan. Don’t know if it was a wind thing or a precaution due to a possible threat.
Aug 27, 2021, 6:31 pm
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I don’t know if it was terrain or terror, But I noticed on 2010-2017 flights from EWR-DEL/BOM that we would fly a bit higher over Afghanistan- usually 3-4K feet- than over Russia and Pakistan. Don’t know if it was a wind thing or a precaution due to a possible threat.
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Aug 27, 2021, 8:52 pm
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wow is this just US airlines or all countries airlines doing this flight path?
Aug 27, 2021, 9:11 pm
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Jan 31, 2022, 11:51 am
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Likely lack of altitude performance if an engine fails or suitable methods to "escape" terrain if a depressurization occurs.
Feb 1, 2022, 11:06 am
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It looks like AA uses it for its JFK-DEL flights as well.