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View Poll Results: How will these promotions impact your status plans for 2022?
Will / will try to requal with Fly to the Finish
176
39.73%
With BreakOut Bonus will / will try to achieve a higher elite status than originally planned
65
14.67%
With BreakOut Bonus will / will try to achieve more PlusPloints than originally planned
38
8.58%
Neither promo will make any difference in status / PlusPoints outcome
103
23.25%
Not bothering or able to re-qual status this year
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13.77%
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Fly to the Finish: Offer details


MileagePlus number: XXXXXXX
Meet these goals by Nov. 30, 2021, to requalify for ..... status through Jan. 2023 and earn ... PlusPoints


Code:
PQF PQP or PQP
 Silver 4 600 700
 Gold 6 1,200 1,400
 Platinum 8 1,800 2,000
 Premier 1K 10 2,700 3,000

New!

Your MileagePlus credit card can help you meet challenge requirements or annual Premier status requirements. For this offer only, you can earn PQF just by using your United Chase MileagePlus credit cards.
  • Earn one PQF after you spend $4,000 across your United Chase MileagePlus credit cards during the promotion period.
  • Earn a maximum of two PQF after you spend $8,000 across your United Chase MileagePlus credit cards during the promo period.
  • PQF earned from card spending counts toward your Fly to the Finish Challenge goals as well as the published PQF thresholds for each level of Premier status.
If you’re up to the challenge, get started by booking your next United flight today.
Book now
Can’t meet the challenge? Don’t worry – we’ve got your back!Premier members eligible for the Fly to the Finish challenge who don't meet the requirements will be eligible to earn trip bonuses for PQP-eligible trips on United or United Express taken within the promotional period after the challenge period is over. You’ll earn 1,000 bonus PQP on your first trip, 250 on your second and 250 on your third. For this promotion only, an award trip can count toward one of the three eligible PQP trip bonuses. Breakout Bonus terms apply.
By participating in this promotion, you acknowledge your agreement to the terms and conditions. See frequently asked questions here.

Terms and Conditions

Fly to the Finish: Terms and Conditions
  • MileagePlus members must satisfy the following three conditions to be eligible for the “Fly to the Finish” offer:
    1. Member had Premier status on July 27, 2021 (the “Status Date”).
    2. Member has not qualified to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year (ending January 31, 2023).
    3. Member satisfies one of the cases outlined below:
    1. Member needs more than the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s “PQP-only” annual Premier qualification requirements:
    2. Member needs more than the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) and Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s PQP and PQF combination annual Premier qualification requirements:
Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed
Silver More than 350
Gold More than 700
Platinum More than 1,000
1K More than 1,500

Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed PQF needed
Silver More than 350 More than 1 PQF
Gold More than 700 More than 1 PQF
Platinum More than 1,000 More than 1 PQF
1K More than 1,500
More than 1 PQF Note: Members who do not satisfy one or more of the above three conditions will instead be eligible for the “Breakout Bonus” offer described below.
  • The “Promotion Period” is August 6, 2021 – November 30, 2021 at 11:59 PM local time.
  • Eligible members must satisfy the following requirements during the Promotion Period to qualify to retain the status they held on the “Status Date” through January 31, 2023:
Status held on July 27, 2021 Premier Qualifying Flight (PQF) and PQP Requirements PQP-Only Requirement
Code:
        PQF      PQP      or PQP 
 Silver   4       600        700
 Gold     6     1,200      1,400
 Platinum 8     1,800      2,000
 Premier 1K 10  2,700      3,000
  • Applicable requirements determined by Premier status of eligible member on the “Status Date”.
  • Eligible members who are also “Corporate Members” will automatically receive the following PQP deposits at the start of the Promotion Period, and no later than August 10, 2021, which will count toward satisfying the offer requirements:
Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP Deposit
Silver 100
Gold 200
Platinum 300
1K 400
  • A “Corporate member” is defined as a member who has flown while using a corporate account tour code on United or United Express between January 1, 2019 and July 26, 2021.
  • Under this offer, a member is only eligible to qualify for the Premier status they held on the “Status Date”. Members cannot qualify for a Premier status level that is higher or lower than the status they held on the “Status Date” in connection with this offer.
  • Status earned in connection with this offer will be granted no later than December 21, 2021.
  • Members who are eligible for the Fly to the Finish offer but who do not satisfy the offer requirements during the Promotion Period will be eligible to instead to earn PQP pursuant to the terms of the “Breakout Bonus” offer, which will be deposited no later than December 21, 2021, as applicable.
  • Members who earn status in connection with the Fly to the Finish offer will also be eligible to earn PQP pursuant to the terms of the “Breakout Bonus” offer if, prior to the end of the Promotion Period, such member also satisfies the standard (i.e., non-promotional) requirements to qualify, for the 2022 program year, for the Premier status that such Member held on the Status Date. Any such PQP will be earned only pursuant to the terms of the “Breakout Bonus” offer, and will be deposited no later than December 21, 2021, as applicable.
  • Members who earn status in connection with the Fly to the Finish offer but who do not, prior to the end of the Promotion Period, satisfy the standard (i.e., non-promotional) requirements to qualify, for the 2022 program year, for the Premier status that such Member held on the Status Date will not be eligible to earn PQP in connection with the Breakout Bonus offer.
  • Only United and United Express flights qualify for this offer.

Pluspoints Accrual

  • Premier Platinum and Premier 1K members who satisfy the applicable Fly to the Finish offer requirements will receive their applicable allotment of PlusPoints no later than 40 days thereafter.
  • Premier Platinum and Premier 1K members who satisfy the applicable Fly to the Finish offer requirements and also satisfy the standard (i.e., non-promotional) requirements to qualify, for the 2022 program year, for the Premier status that such Member held on the Status Date will not receive a second allotment of PlusPoints.

Earning Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF) with United Chase MileagePlus credit cards:

  • In connection with this offer, eligible MileagePlus members may earn up to a maximum of 2 PQF for purchases using a United Chase MileagePlus credit card.
    • Earn 1 PQF: One PQF will be awarded for purchases of $4,000 or more during the “Promotion Period”.
    • Earn 2 PQF: One additional PQF (totaling two PQF) will be awarded for purchases of an additional $4,000 or more (totaling $8,000 or more) during the “Promotion Period”.
    • Purchases made with an eligible card by you or an authorized user of the account are net of returns and refunds. The following types of transactions won’t count: balance transfers, cash advances or cash-like transactions, travelers checks, foreign currency, money orders or wire transfers, lottery tickets, casino gaming chips, race track wagers or similar betting transactions, any checks that access your account, interest, unauthorized or fraudulent charges, fees of any kind, including an annual fee, if applicable.
    • Bonus PQF may take up to 54 days to post the MileagePlus account but will post no later than December 21, 2021.
  • Chase is not responsible for the provision of, or the failure to provide, the stated benefits and services. Bonus PQF and PQP awards will post directly to your MileagePlus® account and will not appear on your credit card statement.

Breakout Bonus: Terms and Conditions

Eligibility

Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed
Silver Less than or equal to 350
Gold Less than or equal to 700
Platinum Less than or equal to 1,000
1K Less than or equal to 1,500

Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed PQF needed
Silver Less than or equal to 350 0-1 PQF
Gold Less than or equal to 700 0-1 PQF
Platinum Less than or equal to 1,000 0-1 PQF
1K Less than or equal to 1,500 0-1 PQF
  • Eligibility for the “Breakout Bonus” offer is limited to the following MileagePlus members:
    1. Members without Premier status as of July 27, 2021 (the “Status Date”)
    2. Members with Premier status on the Status Date who had qualified, prior to the Status Date, to retain such status through the end of the MileagePlus 2022 program year (January 31, 2023).
    3. Member satisfies one of the cases below:
    1. Member needs less than or equal to the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s “PQP-only” annual Premier qualification requirements:
    2. Member needs less than or equal to the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) and Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s PQP and PQF combination annual Premier qualification requirements:
  • The “Promotion Period” is defined as August 6, 2021 – November 30, 2021 at 11:59 PM local time.

“Breakout Bonus” Flight Promotion

  • PQP will be awarded to eligible members as follows based upon member status on the Status Date:

Trip 1 Trip 2 Trip 3
General 250 75 75
Silver 350 100 100
Gold 700 175 175
Platinum 1,000 250 250
1K 1,500 375 375
  • “Trip” is defined as a unique travel itinerary that includes at least one PQP-eligible flight segment operated by United or United Express, or a unique travel itinerary that includes at least one eligible award flight operated United or United Express, as documented by a unique ticket number, and is flown within the Promotion Period.
  • Only the first three Trips taken during the Promotion Period will be eligible for bonus PQP under this offer.
  • A Trip’s first flight segment must begin no earlier than August 6, 2021 to be eligible.
  • A Trip does not need to be completed prior to the end of the Promotion Period to qualify, but a United or United Express flight segment must be completed within the Promotion Period for the Trip to be eligible.
  • Booking date is not a determining factor on whether a trip is eligible for a PQP bonus; Trips booked before the beginning of the Promotion Period that are otherwise eligible will qualify for this offer.
  • PQP will be earned upon completion of the first United or United Express flight segment in a Trip but may take up to 10 days to post to the MileagePlus account.
  • An award Trip must be redeemed and flown within the Promotion Period to qualify. An award Trip must be redeemed using the eligible member’s miles and flown by the same eligible member to earn Bonus PQP for this offer. A maximum of one award Trip is eligible for PQP bonus for this offer.
  • Bonus PQP will be awarded based upon the member’s Premier status as of the Status Date, even if a member earns a higher status during the Promotion Period.
  • In some cases, a Trip may include more than one ticket number including (a) when more than four coupons are included in an itinerary and another conjunctive ticket number must be issued, or (b) when a member exchanges an existing ticket for a new ticket. In these instances, the new ticket number will not be considered a new and separate Trip but will be considered part of the originally ticketed Trip.
  • Members who are eligible for the Fly to the Finish offer but who do not satisfy the offer requirements during the Promotion Period will be eligible to instead earn PQP pursuant to the terms of the “Breakout Bonus” offer, which will be granted no later than 12/21/2021. Members who earn status in connection with the Fly to the Finish offer are not eligible for the Breakout Bonus offer.

Earning Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF) with United Chase MileagePlus credit cards:

  • In connection with this offer, eligible MileagePlus members may earn up to a maximum of 2 PQF for purchases using a United Chase MileagePlus credit card.
    1. Earn 1 PQF: One PQF will be awarded for purchases of $4,000 or more during the “Promotion Period”.
    2. Earn 2 PQF: One additional PQF (totaling two PQF) will be awarded for purchases of an additional $4,000 or more (totaling $8,000 or more) during the “Promotion Period”.
    3. Purchases made with an eligible card by you or an authorized user of the account are net of returns and refunds. The following types of transactions won’t count: balance transfers, cash advances or cash-like transactions, travelers checks, foreign currency, money orders or wire transfers, lottery tickets, casino gaming chips, race track wagers or similar betting transactions, any checks that access your account, interest, unauthorized or fraudulent charges, fees of any kind, including an annual fee, if applicable.
    4. Bonus PQF may take up to 54 days to post the MileagePlus account but will post no later than December 21, 2021.
  • Chase is not responsible for the provision of, or the failure to provide, the stated benefits and services. Bonus PQF and PQP awards will post directly to your MileagePlus® account and will not appear on your credit card statement.
General: Frequently Asked Questions
Why is United offering two different promotions?
  • The Fly to the Finish offer is for Premier members who have not yet requalified, for the MileagePlus 2022 program year, for the Premier status level they held on July 27, 2021 (with limited exceptions). With this offer, eligible members can meet challenge requirements and requalify for status through January 31, 2023.
  • The Breakout Bonus offer is for members that have already requalified (or are very close to requalifying), for the MileagePlus 2022 program year, for the Premier status they held on July 27, 2021 as well as to any MileagePlus members without Premier status. This promotion allows members to earn bonus PQP on up to three trips taken before November 30, 2021.
How do I know which offer I’m eligible for?
  • If you don’t have Premier status, you are eligible for our Breakout Bonus offer.
  • If you had Premier status on July 27, 2021 but have not yet met requirements for that level of status through the 2022 program year, you’re eligible for our Fly to the Finish challenge (with limited exceptions). You can always see your progress toward Premier status at mystatus.united.com, and you can check your offer eligibility by signing into our offer page at flytothefinish.
Fly to the Finish: Frequently Asked Questions
Who is eligible for the Fly to the Finish?
  • MileagePlus members must satisfy the following three conditions to be eligible for the “Fly to the Finish” offer:
  1. Member had Premier status on July 27, 2021 (the “Status Date”).
  2. Member has not qualified to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year (ending January 31, 2023).
  3. Member satisfies one of the cases outlined below:
  1. Member needs more than the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s “PQP-only” annual Premier qualification requirements:
  2. Member needs more than the following amounts of Premier Qualifying Points (PQP) and Premier Qualifying Flights (PQF) to qualify to retain the Premier status held on the “Status Date” through the 2022 MileagePlus program year, pursuant to United’s PQP and PQF combination annual Premier qualification requirements:
Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed
Silver More than 350
Gold More than 700
Platinum More than 1,000
1K More than 1,500

Status held on July 27, 2021
PQP needed PQF needed
Silver More than 350 More than 1 PQF
Gold More than 700 More than 1 PQF
Platinum More than 1,000 More than 1 PQF
1K More than 1,500 More than 1 PQF
Note: Members who do not satisfy condition #3 will automatically be enrolled in the “Breakout Bonus” offer described below.
What happens if I don’t meet the Fly to the Finish challenge requirements during the Promotion Period?
Members who are eligible for the Fly to the Finish offer but who do not satisfy the offer requirements during the promotion period will be eligible to instead to earn PQP pursuant to the terms of the “Breakout Bonus” offer, which will be deposited no later than 12/21/2021, as applicable.
If I meet the Fly to the Finish challenge requirements during the Promotion Period, can I also qualify for the and Breakout Bonus offer?
  • Members who earn status in connection with the Fly to the Finish offer will also be eligible to earn PQP under the “Breakout Bonus” offer if, prior to the end of the Promotion Period, such member also satisfies the standard (i.e., non-promotional) requirements to qualify, for the 2022 program year, for the applicable Premier status that such Member held on the status date.
  • Members who earn status in connection with the Fly to the Finish offer but who do not, prior to the end of the Promotion Period, satisfy the standard (i.e., non-promotional) requirements to qualify, for the 2022 program year, for the applicable Premier status that such Member held on the status date will not be eligible to earn PQP in connection with the Breakout Bonus offer.
When can I expect the PQF for credit card spend to post to my account?
  • Bonus PQF may take up to 54 days to post the MileagePlus account but will post no later than December 21, 2021.
Breakout Bonus: Frequently asked questions
Who is eligible for the Breakout Bonus?
  • This promotion is available to all MileagePlus members without Premier status, and Premier members who already have qualified for 2022 Premier status at the level of Premier status they held on July 27, 2021.
What is a “trip”? What trips are eligible for the Breakout Bonus offer?
  • “Trip” is defined as a unique travel itinerary that includes at least one Premier Qualifying Point (“PQP”)-eligible flight segment operated by United or United Express, or a unique travel itinerary that includes at least one eligible award flight operated United or United Express, as documented by a unique ticket number, and is flown within the promotional period.
  • Only the first three Trips taken during the promotional period will be eligible for bonus PQP under this offer.
  • Trips must begin no earlier than August 6, 2021 to be eligible. This means the first flight segment of your trip cannot depart before this date to be eligible for this promotion.
  • Up to one award trip can be included in the Breakout Bonus offer.
Can I use my miles to book an award trip for someone else and earn bonus PQP?
  • No. An award Trip must be redeemed using the eligible member’s miles and flown by the same eligible member to earn bonus PQP for this offer. A maximum of one award Trip is eligible for PQP bonus for this offer.
Can multiple ticket numbers be considered a single trip?
  • In some cases, different ticket numbers will be considered part of the same trip including when more than four coupons are included within an itinerary and a conjunctive ticket number must be issued, or when a ticket is exchanged. In these instances, the conjunctive ticket(s) and/or exchanged ticket(s) will be considered part of the originally ticketed trip.
My trip begins within the promotional period but was booked before this promotion was offered. Is it still eligible?
  • There are no booking date restrictions with this offer, so if a Trip satisfies the eligibility criteria in the offer terms, it will qualify for bonus PQP as a part of the Welcome-Back Bonus offer.
When can I expect the Premier Qualifying Flight(s) (“PQF”) earned through this offer for credit card spend to post to my account?
  • Bonus PQF may take up to 54 days to post the MileagePlus account but will post no later than December 21, 2021.


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Old Aug 23, 2021, 9:14 am
  #586  
 
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Originally Posted by frustratedfarmer
how so? The rules force flights at least, so the 1k pool will go down.
+1.

The only "dilution" is from the lowered thresholds for 2021 for new qualifiers. The FttF promo doesn't do that at all. BoB may help a few people achieve higher status after they requalified.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by as219
Did you ever hear back from 1Kvoice about this and, if yes, what did they say?
I never got a response from 1kvoice *or* MP.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by CApreppie
I met Gold already this year and since I haven't hit Plat again, this is what I got for Fly to Finish. SFO-LAX is cheap right now so can easily do 8 one-way flights (4 roundtrips) to/from SoCal.

Meet these goals by Nov. 30, 2021, to requalify for Premier® Platinum status through Jan. 2023 and earn +40 PlusPoints
  • Complete 8 Premier qualifying flights (PQF) on United or United Express®
  • Earn 1,800 Premier qualifying points (PQP) on United or United Express flights
OR
  • Earn a total of 2,000 PQP only
You also need to earn 1,800 PQP in addition to 8 flights.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by frustratedfarmer
how so? The rules force flights at least, so the 1k pool will go down.
How do new, incredibly loose rules dilute status? Not sure I understand your question. It's obvious that this new promo is dilutive. Are you saying it's less dilutive than UA just extending everyone for free again?
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by threecap
How do new, incredibly loose rules dilute status? Not sure I understand your question. It's obvious that this new promo is dilutive. Are you saying it's less dilutive than UA just extending everyone for free again?

Correct - this isn’t available to anyone who isn’t currently a 1k, so that brings the population down, and this forces existing 1ks to spend ~$3k on a series of flights, so that will also bring the population down.

Yes, rules are looser, but still in a pandemic, requiring masks, requiring actual flights- there are enough hoops to jump through that not everyone will qualify/take advantage.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by frustratedfarmer
Correct - this isn’t available to anyone who isn’t currently a 1k, so that brings the population down, and this forces existing 1ks to spend ~$3k on a series of flights, so that will also bring the population down.

Yes, rules are looser, but still in a pandemic, requiring masks, requiring actual flights- there are enough hoops to jump through that not everyone will qualify/take advantage.
Dilution is something of a imprecise point.

United "diluted" status by reducing the requirements last year and this year from what they were pre-COVID.
United further "diluted" status by making those reduced requirements easier to achieve through various bonus PQP promotions.
United even further "diluted" status with FttF making it easier to requalify to one's earned 2020 status.

It would be helpful for those complaining about dilution to explain which type of dilution they're referring to . . . but really anyone who hasn't met the original 2020 (and presumptive 2021) requirements is benefiting from one of these dilutive approaches.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by frustratedfarmer
Correct - this isn’t available to anyone who isn’t currently a 1k, so that brings the population down, and this forces existing 1ks to spend ~$3k on a series of flights, so that will also bring the population down.

Yes, rules are looser, but still in a pandemic, requiring masks, requiring actual flights- there are enough hoops to jump through that not everyone will qualify/take advantage.
It does not bring the population down from where 2022 status numbers would be if this new program didn't exist. It adds to it.

The bonus is for 2022 status so it makes no sense to compare it to 2021 status numbers.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by drewguy
Dilution is something of a imprecise point.

United "diluted" status by reducing the requirements last year and this year from what they were pre-COVID.
United further "diluted" status by making those reduced requirements easier to achieve through various bonus PQP promotions.
United even further "diluted" status with FttF making it easier to requalify to one's earned 2020 status.

It would be helpful for those complaining about dilution to explain which type of dilution they're referring to . . . but really anyone who hasn't met the original 2020 (and presumptive 2021) requirements is benefiting from one of these dilutive approaches.
Everything you're mentioning is dilutive. So is this new program. So I agree with you, which is why my original post said "great, more dilution"... why do we need to specify which type, does it really matter?
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander
those doing enough flying to maintain multiple statuses are a fringe group, even on FT. The reality is most people are best served by a single airline, and maintain one status on that airline only. Take me at IAD....sure I could fly AA or DL but I'll be connecting every time, and there's nothing convenient about that at all. I realize folks have varying priorities but I'd wager the majority of us value non-stop flights/as little time in the air and in airports as possible.
I would of course agree nonstops over connecting, and I had pointed that out in an earlier post. UA doesn't fly everywhere nonstop, so I am not going out of my way to fly UA.

Originally Posted by mathgeek1978
Absolutely true. Maintaining one top-tier status > multiple mid-tier status. The numbers of flyers who can afford to maintain multiple top-tier statuses are rare and they can probably afford their own private planes.
Not as difficult nor expensive as you may think. There are still mileage based programs out there (AS, for example; and you can back door into AA/OW); most mileage programs also allow their members to earn on partners based on distance flown.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 5:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Toronto1970
I realize this has been beaten to death, but it is still frustrating that UA hasn't changed this on the Fly To The Finish landing page:

Meet these goals by Nov. 30, 2021, to requalify for Premier® 1K status through Jan. 2023 and earn +280 PlusPoints
  • Complete 10 Premier qualifying flights (PQF) on United or United Express®
  • Earn 2,700 Premier qualifying points (PQP) on United or United Express flights
OR
  • Earn a total of 3,000 PQP only
By excluding the United flight requirement in the second point, it's 100% reasonable for anyone to assume that PQP earned through partner flights would also be eligible. As hidden in the fine print and apparently confirmed here, this isn't true. But I can see a lot of frustrated non-US members who think they have qualified only to be told that they haven't (I would have been included in that had I not gone through this thread)
this is why people should actually read the fine print. It contains important info. That people should know, but don’t because it is hidden.

I do think it’s a bit deceptive given the PQP combined with PQF requirements list the need for UA/UAX flights, but PQP only doesn’t. That said, UA wouldn’t be the first to hide important info. in the terms. Add this to the list of items we fault airlines for, but not other companies that do the same thing.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by emcampbe
Add this to the list of items we fault airlines for, but not other companies that do the same thing.
Actually, I fault all companies on this. And certainly mistakes happen and promotions may be initially ambiguously worded, but once the issue is pointed out (and for sure someone at United reads these threads) spend the 10 minutes to get someone to update the landing page for the promo on the website to make it clearer instead of continuing to keep a very important piece of information buried in the terms and conditions.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 5:26 pm
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Do you think it was intentional?
Or just neglect?
I'm not sure.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by frustratedfarmer
Just got this email this morning. I only changed my name. The rest of the email including the funny "this is disappoint" are cut and paste.Dear FrustratedFarmer:







Thanks for your reply.



I apologize you question was not answered correctly.



In the Fly to the Finish offer, you may qualify with United or United Express flights that acquire PQP. You may not qualify for the promotion via PQP from Accelerators, PQP from upgrades or from Chase spend or Corporate affiliation bonus points.



I understand this is disappoint and I am sorry.



Regards,



MileagePlus® Service Center
Thanks. Hopefully they're also wrong about that. See mod comment below:

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
The T&Cs make quite clear the agent was wrong on the Corporate Starter. (But right about the other non-flight forms of PQPs, which also are clear in T&Cs and as UA Insider confirmed.)
Never, ever rely on agent information concerning promos.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by kevflyer
Thanks. Hopefully they're also wrong about that. See mod comment below:
wrong about what? That you need to earn the PQP on UA/UAX flights only?

while it was certainly not clear for the first few hours, the terms were quickly updated to reflect PQP from UA/UAX flights are all that count for the promo. It’s not written as clear as possible (but historically, can we say UAs Comms have been - often not) - with it being in the T&Cs and not in the PQP only bullet in the main section. Whether it’s ‘fair’ or not to a particular person/group of people or not, this is UAs offer.
Clearly, they are looking to retain status for a group of people that are doing a minimal amount of flying - specifically on UA metal. That’s their choice of the customers they want to retain status for, because they think it will help them. Only time will tell whether this is the right move in the short and/or longer run.
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Old Aug 23, 2021, 10:43 pm
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Originally Posted by threecap
Everything you're mentioning is dilutive. So is this new program. So I agree with you, which is why my original post said "great, more dilution"... why do we need to specify which type, does it really matter?
Originally Posted by drewguy
Dilution is something of a imprecise point.

United "diluted" status by reducing the requirements last year and this year from what they were pre-COVID.
United further "diluted" status by making those reduced requirements easier to achieve through various bonus PQP promotions.
United even further "diluted" status with FttF making it easier to requalify to one's earned 2020 status.

It would be helpful for those complaining about dilution to explain which type of dilution they're referring to . . . but really anyone who hasn't met the original 2020 (and presumptive 2021) requirements is benefiting from one of these dilutive approaches.
The good news is that United isn't extending 1K PlusPennies so perhaps they will be easier to use next year. Seems unlikely though.
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