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UA Requiring All US Employees to Vaccinate - now by 27 Sept 2021

UA Requiring All US Employees to Vaccinate - now by 27 Sept 2021

Old Sep 9, 21, 5:38 am
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Kudos to UA for instituting this policy
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Old Sep 9, 21, 6:16 am
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United CLEARLY thinks it can beat any lawsuit. Because I don't think any other company has gone this far:


I tend to think UA is right about its legal chances, BTW.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 8:53 am
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Payroll support ends on 9/30, demand is collapsing again, and UA is telling employees to vaccinate or: 1) be fired, or 2) obtain a religious exemption and be placed on unpaid leave "until the pandemic meaningfully subsides", starting 10/1

This is basically in lieu of another furlough.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
This is basically in lieu of another furlough.
So two birds one stone.

I do appreciate UA's stance on vaccinations.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:12 pm
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What’s the difference between unpaid leave and being fired when the endpoint is so vaguely defined as “subsides”? It may never fully subside.

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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post

This is basically in lieu of another furlough.
Except in this instance - employees can control their destiny - vaccinate and keep job - get an exemption and go unpaid - or get terminated.

I don't think anyone at UA is secretly hoping to terminate people or have them go on unpaid leave.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer View Post
Except in this instance - employees can control their destiny - vaccinate and keep job - get an exemption and go unpaid - or get terminated.

I don't think anyone at UA is secretly hoping to terminate people or have them go on unpaid leave.
I don't think so either, but to the extent an employee's decision reduces payroll expense, it's probably an unintended favorable consequence.

Certainly, nobody expects the current situation to persist beyond a few months, but today's financial guidance leaves no doubt that this fall the company will again be overstaffed relative to demand, and generating significant operating losses.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio View Post
What’s the difference between unpaid leave and being fired when the endpoint is so vaguely defined as “subsides”? It may never fully subside.
I would define "subsides" as something like "is no longer a public health threat disrupting travel and the economy."
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Bear96 View Post
I would define "subsides" as something like "is no longer a public health threat disrupting travel and the economy."
I would use a more subjective definition - when WHO declares the pandemic to be over and treats COVID as any other communicable disease.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Whyme View Post
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A few thousand employees from all departments have joined together to fight for their legal right to medical and/or religious exemptions and have retained legal counsel. ......
There's only one group that will see any benefit from this.... the lawyers.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 4:55 pm
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A few thousand employees from all departments have joined together to fight for their legal right to medical and/or religious exemptions and have retained legal counsel.
And I would bet that no more than a couple of dozen employees worldwide actually have claim to legitimate exemptions.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
United CLEARLY thinks it can beat any lawsuit. Because I don't think any other company has gone this far:

https://mobile.twitter.com/duty2warn...33993459929092

I tend to think UA is right about its legal chances, BTW.
UA has granted some religious exemptions - but it is more than just unpaid leave.

It is my understanding benefits end after October - seniority will start to be chipped away after 6 months - and lose flight benefits after 90 days.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 8:04 pm
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Sort of a moot point now with the Biden mandate. I wonder if United will change their policy to match the new regulations.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by makeUturn View Post
Sort of a moot point now with the Biden mandate. I wonder if United will change their policy to match the new regulations.
United's policy is much more stringent than the Biden proposal as UA will not have a testing option - you either vaccinate - get an exemption (and go on unpaid or medical leave) or get terminated.
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Old Sep 9, 21, 9:26 pm
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Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer View Post
United's policy is much more stringent than the Biden proposal as UA will not have a testing option - you either vaccinate - get an exemption (and go on unpaid or medical leave) or get terminated.
It will also likely be implemented more quickly.
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There's only one group that will see any benefit from this.... the lawyers.
No, we all benefit from higher vaccination rates.
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