UA 871 SFO-TPE, GUM tech stop, taking new bookings for May 2021 schedule
#61
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: TPE, SFO, PAE
Posts: 862
I remember in March, 2020, when UA promptly dropped 871/872 after Taiwan announced a 2 week quarantine for USA arrivals. Seems that since that time UA has found a way (cargo) to keep these flights profitable even with lighter passenger loads. I assume that because the quarantine is still required, but the flights are running with 77Ws six or seven days a week.
Does it seem likely they will keep running these flights, even as Taiwan clamps down further due to the covid outbreak?
I ask because I'm counting on my June 21 TPE-SFO (perhaps will become TPE-GUM-SFO) flight to repatriate to the USA. At the moment it seems like that is still a safe bet. But wondering if I should consider flying sooner. Any insight is appreciated.
Does it seem likely they will keep running these flights, even as Taiwan clamps down further due to the covid outbreak?
I ask because I'm counting on my June 21 TPE-SFO (perhaps will become TPE-GUM-SFO) flight to repatriate to the USA. At the moment it seems like that is still a safe bet. But wondering if I should consider flying sooner. Any insight is appreciated.
#62
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SFO
Posts: 4,914
I remember in March, 2020, when UA promptly dropped 871/872 after Taiwan announced a 2 week quarantine for USA arrivals. Seems that since that time UA has found a way (cargo) to keep these flights profitable even with lighter passenger loads. I assume that because the quarantine is still required, but the flights are running with 77Ws six or seven days a week.
Does it seem likely they will keep running these flights, even as Taiwan clamps down further due to the covid outbreak?
I ask because I'm counting on my June 21 TPE-SFO (perhaps will become TPE-GUM-SFO) flight to repatriate to the USA. At the moment it seems like that is still a safe bet. But wondering if I should consider flying sooner. Any insight is appreciated.
Does it seem likely they will keep running these flights, even as Taiwan clamps down further due to the covid outbreak?
I ask because I'm counting on my June 21 TPE-SFO (perhaps will become TPE-GUM-SFO) flight to repatriate to the USA. At the moment it seems like that is still a safe bet. But wondering if I should consider flying sooner. Any insight is appreciated.
#63
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Latin America and USA
Programs: UA 1K, Marriott Gold
Posts: 456
I already have a PCR test reserved for 6/18 at the moment, which is within 3 business days of my currently scheduled TPE-SFO flight. If I understand correctly, Taiwan is requiring the PCR in order to fly. I know UA and the USA are fine with the antigen, but doesn't Taiwan still require the PCR for anybody departing from TPE?
#64
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SFO
Posts: 4,914
I live down south, and the good news is that we have 10 more rapid antigen sites going online tomorrow (info attached).
I already have a PCR test reserved for 6/18 at the moment, which is within 3 business days of my currently scheduled TPE-SFO flight. If I understand correctly, Taiwan is requiring the PCR in order to fly. I know UA and the USA are fine with the antigen, but doesn't Taiwan still require the PCR for anybody departing from TPE?
I already have a PCR test reserved for 6/18 at the moment, which is within 3 business days of my currently scheduled TPE-SFO flight. If I understand correctly, Taiwan is requiring the PCR in order to fly. I know UA and the USA are fine with the antigen, but doesn't Taiwan still require the PCR for anybody departing from TPE?
#65
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: United 1K MM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 417
The rapid antigen test appointments are fully booked till June 15. The clinic may open future appointments IF they have the capacity to do so in the face of local outbreaks.
The website is in Traditional Chinese though.
airport.landseedhospital.com.tw/airport-clinic/serve/reservation.php
#66
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: SQ, QF, UA, CO, DL
Posts: 2,883
I live down south, and the good news is that we have 10 more rapid antigen sites going online tomorrow (info attached).
I already have a PCR test reserved for 6/18 at the moment, which is within 3 business days of my currently scheduled TPE-SFO flight. If I understand correctly, Taiwan is requiring the PCR in order to fly. I know UA and the USA are fine with the antigen, but doesn't Taiwan still require the PCR for anybody departing from TPE?
I already have a PCR test reserved for 6/18 at the moment, which is within 3 business days of my currently scheduled TPE-SFO flight. If I understand correctly, Taiwan is requiring the PCR in order to fly. I know UA and the USA are fine with the antigen, but doesn't Taiwan still require the PCR for anybody departing from TPE?
It's the Landseed Hospital Airport Clinic.
The rapid antigen test appointments are fully booked till June 15. The clinic may open future appointments IF they have the capacity to do so in the face of local outbreaks.
The website is in Traditional Chinese though.
airport.landseedhospital.com.tw/airport-clinic/serve/reservation.php
The rapid antigen test appointments are fully booked till June 15. The clinic may open future appointments IF they have the capacity to do so in the face of local outbreaks.
The website is in Traditional Chinese though.
airport.landseedhospital.com.tw/airport-clinic/serve/reservation.php
Last edited by uanj; Jun 5, 2021 at 12:49 am
#69
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: SQ, QF, UA, CO, DL
Posts: 2,883
Yes, the crew need to be quarantined but this requirement is not new and was not the issue. The airport Novotel was the hotel UA and many other carriers were using for quarantine. An outbreak of COVID among hotel workers and overseas airline crew quarantining there (not UA) and the subsequent investigation showed that the hotel allowed some airline crew to violate their quarantine. The hotel was temporarily closed to be deep cleaned and recertified. UA was not able to find a satisfactory quarantine hotel for a short period of time so changed the route to enable a crew change in GUM. After UA found a suitable hotel the service reverted to TPE-SFO non-stop.
#70
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: United Plat
Posts: 499
Yes, the crew need to be quarantined but this requirement is not new and was not the issue. The airport Novotel was the hotel UA and many other carriers were using for quarantine. An outbreak of COVID among hotel workers and overseas airline crew quarantining there (not UA) and the subsequent investigation showed that the hotel allowed some airline crew to violate their quarantine. The hotel was temporarily closed to be deep cleaned and recertified. UA was not able to find a satisfactory quarantine hotel for a short period of time so changed the route to enable a crew change in GUM. After UA found a suitable hotel the service reverted to TPE-SFO non-stop.
#71
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: SQ, QF, UA, CO, DL
Posts: 2,883
If you are asking why CI and BR have not brought their frequency up to daily, then I don't know. CI is more limited in seats per week to the US compared to BR. BR has chosen to support more US stations but with less frequency. UA has simply gone back to their pre-pandemic schedule of one daily to TPE. Fares are through the roof, at least 4 X what was paid before on average. I would bet with 20% load factors BR and CI are flying profitable flights and they see the current level of flights as optimal for them.
#72
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: United Plat
Posts: 499
Not sure I follow your question, but I will try to answer it. CI and BR can and continue to fly to the US during the pandemic, with passengers and freight on the same plane. In the beginning UA re-introduced SFO-TPE with 3 days a week, then 4-5 days per week and finally back to 7 days a week. There were also a few weekly flights from LAX and even one from ORD but they were freight only. These have now stopped. Passenger flights were always SFO-TPE. CI has been flying several times a week to ONT and LAX while BR has been flying several times a week to SEA, SFO, LAX and JFK. (Anyone feel free to correct me if I missed something.)
If you are asking why CI and BR have not brought their frequency up to daily, then I don't know. CI is more limited in seats per week to the US compared to BR. BR has chosen to support more US stations but with less frequency. UA has simply gone back to their pre-pandemic schedule of one daily to TPE. Fares are through the roof, at least 4 X what was paid before on average. I would bet with 20% load factors BR and CI are flying profitable flights and they see the current level of flights as optimal for them.
If you are asking why CI and BR have not brought their frequency up to daily, then I don't know. CI is more limited in seats per week to the US compared to BR. BR has chosen to support more US stations but with less frequency. UA has simply gone back to their pre-pandemic schedule of one daily to TPE. Fares are through the roof, at least 4 X what was paid before on average. I would bet with 20% load factors BR and CI are flying profitable flights and they see the current level of flights as optimal for them.
Sorry I was not specific about my question but you have answered what I wanted to know. I was talking about frequency of SFO-TPE. Yes, SFO is the only US gateway city for UA to TPE. CI and BR run flights from other US cities to TPE in addition to from SFO. I think that is why we see UA runs daily SFO-TPE flight while BR and CI do not in SF market during the pandemic.
I guess cargo makes UA871/872 very profitable during the pandemic to sustain daily frequency, with not much passenger traffic in a 773 equipment.