Speculative TATL UA bookings pros and cons
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for some reason I woke up today and started searching for *A saver biz class to Europe. At this point I see a lot of unappealing space via Canada but may take bite on a couple of summer trips (not AC) as the downside is zero. I can always redeposit if better routing or low fares materialize.
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So if you book now, you can change if necessary.
But if it's a situation like the previous two summers, EU may not clarify their travel policies for tourism until late spring. By then, if you try to rebook, the fares you see now won't be close to the fares then, even if they let you rebook without change fees.
But if it's a situation like the previous two summers, EU may not clarify their travel policies for tourism until late spring. By then, if you try to rebook, the fares you see now won't be close to the fares then, even if they let you rebook without change fees.
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I have booked my early summer trip. Third attempt at Camino trail. 🤞 Had to cancel 2020 because well Spain closed down, 2021 my Aussie walking partners could not leave their country, so 2022 it is!
Looking at Spring travel to the UK but just uncertain about travel restrictions as we move out of Winter.
Looking at Australia for late summer but their winter so concerned about travel restrictions.
Think summer TATL travel is very viable.
Looking at Spring travel to the UK but just uncertain about travel restrictions as we move out of Winter.
Looking at Australia for late summer but their winter so concerned about travel restrictions.
Think summer TATL travel is very viable.
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sub $2k? That's a great fare. Very tempting. I am fully booked for 2022 ... high risk high reward. If not possible to travel I can cancel in some cases (like NZ fares were refundable ) or just get a flight credit. I buy when I see good deals, but to each their own!
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I am looking for Morocco (CMN) for end of Sept., only options offered on UA.com are AC outbound and LH inbound for ~$3400. What is a reasonable Business Class fare to CMN? For whatever reason, Googles Flights show lowest Business Class fares over $5000 pretty useless for search purposes.
I will book with UA because of cancellation policy. LH has nonrefundable fares, or refundable for ~$600 more.
I will book with UA because of cancellation policy. LH has nonrefundable fares, or refundable for ~$600 more.
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I am looking for Morocco (CMN) for end of Sept., only options offered on UA.com are AC outbound and LH inbound for ~$3400. What is a reasonable Business Class fare to CMN? For whatever reason, Googles Flights show lowest Business Class fares over $5000 pretty useless for search purposes.
I will book with UA because of cancellation policy. LH has nonrefundable fares, or refundable for ~$600 more.
I will book with UA because of cancellation policy. LH has nonrefundable fares, or refundable for ~$600 more.
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I may have to do that as well, on our own. The tour group we're joining in Casablanca is going with Delta/AF, however their premium for Business Class is $3900 above Economy, which is effectively ~$4700-$4800 for Business.
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UA reported their earnings and gave some hints at what kind of revenues it was forecasting.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/unit...ngs-4q-21.html
DL also said they anticipate a rebound by summer.
Travel booking app Hopper predicted fare prices for both domestic and international rising at faster than historic averages through June, though they're starting from historically low levels.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/tra...s-through-june
Seems like they're assuming overall increases in demand as we get out of the Omicron wave, which may have artificially depressed fare prices.
United lowered its 2022 growth forecast, saying it would fly less this year than it did three years ago, scrapping its plan to increase capacity by 5% from pre-pandemic levels. Costs for the first quarter would be up by as much as 15%, excluding fuel, and capacity down by 16% to 18% from three years earlier.
United's shares were off more than 2% in after-hours trading.
The airline said that bookings for spring and summer are strong, however.
"The United team has been fighting through unprecedented obstacles to, once again, overcome the new and daunting challenges that COVID-19 is bringing to aviation, and I am grateful to each one of them for their commitment to taking care of our customers," United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said in an earnings release. "Omicron is impacting near term demand, we remain optimistic about the spring and excited about the summer and beyond."
United's shares were off more than 2% in after-hours trading.
The airline said that bookings for spring and summer are strong, however.
"The United team has been fighting through unprecedented obstacles to, once again, overcome the new and daunting challenges that COVID-19 is bringing to aviation, and I am grateful to each one of them for their commitment to taking care of our customers," United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said in an earnings release. "Omicron is impacting near term demand, we remain optimistic about the spring and excited about the summer and beyond."
DL also said they anticipate a rebound by summer.
Travel booking app Hopper predicted fare prices for both domestic and international rising at faster than historic averages through June, though they're starting from historically low levels.
Currently, at around $649 roundtrip, international airfares are lower than they've ever been in January while at $234 roundtrip, domestic airline ticket prices are near historic lows as well.
However, even though it's not unusual for flight prices to dip after the holidays, Hopper is expecting ticket prices to rise much faster than usual at an average of 7% a month through June when customers can expect to pay around $315 roundtrip domestically. The hike in fare prices may be due to the omicron variant subsiding and as spring break travel is on the horizon.
In fact, the steepest single-month increase — around 11% — is expected in March, just in time for spring break.
As for those looking to leave the states, Hopper expects international flight prices to rise at a slower rate when compared to domestic airfares but still faster than usual at a 5% a month increase through June with peak fares estimated at approximately $830 round trip.
"Prices have been especially volatile between the delta and omicron variant waves, swinging nearly $200/round-trip twice over four months," Hopper said in its report, noting that airfare prices typically rise around 2% a month going into the summer months.
Fortunately, average airline ticket prices are expected to catch up to pre-pandemic levels around April, the company found.
When it comes to the destinations themselves, domestic search trends among Hopper users included flights to Orlando, Las Vegas, and Miami while those looking to fly international were searching for flights to London, Cancun, and Paris.
However, even though it's not unusual for flight prices to dip after the holidays, Hopper is expecting ticket prices to rise much faster than usual at an average of 7% a month through June when customers can expect to pay around $315 roundtrip domestically. The hike in fare prices may be due to the omicron variant subsiding and as spring break travel is on the horizon.
In fact, the steepest single-month increase — around 11% — is expected in March, just in time for spring break.
As for those looking to leave the states, Hopper expects international flight prices to rise at a slower rate when compared to domestic airfares but still faster than usual at a 5% a month increase through June with peak fares estimated at approximately $830 round trip.
"Prices have been especially volatile between the delta and omicron variant waves, swinging nearly $200/round-trip twice over four months," Hopper said in its report, noting that airfare prices typically rise around 2% a month going into the summer months.
Fortunately, average airline ticket prices are expected to catch up to pre-pandemic levels around April, the company found.
When it comes to the destinations themselves, domestic search trends among Hopper users included flights to Orlando, Las Vegas, and Miami while those looking to fly international were searching for flights to London, Cancun, and Paris.
Seems like they're assuming overall increases in demand as we get out of the Omicron wave, which may have artificially depressed fare prices.
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UA reported their earnings and gave some hints at what kind of revenues it was forecasting.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/unit...ngs-4q-21.html
DL also said they anticipate a rebound by summer.
Travel booking app Hopper predicted fare prices for both domestic and international rising at faster than historic averages through June, though they're starting from historically low levels.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/tra...s-through-june
Seems like they're assuming overall increases in demand as we get out of the Omicron wave, which may have artificially depressed fare prices.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/unit...ngs-4q-21.html
DL also said they anticipate a rebound by summer.
Travel booking app Hopper predicted fare prices for both domestic and international rising at faster than historic averages through June, though they're starting from historically low levels.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/tra...s-through-june
Seems like they're assuming overall increases in demand as we get out of the Omicron wave, which may have artificially depressed fare prices.
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