BlueZebra

Some vaccine shot providers are doing full on medical records...particularly Sutter and Kaiser. Ms BlueZebra got her shots through Sutter, and I got mine through Kaiser. Both e mailed full medical documentation after the shots. And I am not a Kaiser member.

riphamilton

i ordered a 25pk of 'carte jaunes' from the GPO this morning. they're unsurprisingly on backorder.

if i get them anytime soon, i'll offer up my leftovers on the coupon connection giveaway thread.

worldtrav

All vaccinations in the US are reported by the providers to their respective state and entered in to the state database. Perhaps at some point the official state records can be somehow be used to provide more formal verification than the current easily forged CDC card.

physioprof

Also, it appears that the Electronic Medical Information systems (at least Epic) are keeping authenticated COVID-19 vaccination entries in your vaccination record, and this is viewable from within the patient's MyChart (for Epic) client app. So I suppose this would be a way of authenticating vaccination status.

cheltzel

My wife and I were vaccinated at a local Walgreens and my doctor indicated that it updates our hospital's information systems (running Epic). So the nationwide pharmacy chains have a hook into this system. And I assume there are others as well.

seawolf

I'm having a hard time seeing that being able to scale to large country like the US any time before the pandemic is under control.

Vaccine passport provided by private or government entity? If we're looking to government say, Department of State, their track record on Next Gen passport have been unimpressive to say the least.

If private, then privacy concern would have to be worked out with all 50 states. Foreign government acceptance have to be secured.

Would approval/deny take place by airline (pre-boarding) or immigration (after flight)? That party will have to be integrated with the private provider to ensure authenticity.

That's just for the US. What about travelers in other countries? Similar steps will need to be taken in other countries.

By the time this is said and done, I would imagine significant numbers would already been vaccinated rendering the idea of a vaccine passport useless. That pretty much kills the private entity option.

pfreet

This is an impossible dream. In the US, 2M vaccinations per day with little documentation other than a piece of paper. The vaccination rollout was optimized for speed of vaccination, not for secure validation after the fact. There is no way airlines can effectively require proof of vaccination

fumje

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For some reason, I was assured my Epic record would not reflect the vaccination at all. I don't think I prefer it doing so or not doing so, but I do think it gets to a good point jsloan made —

— that there's really no consensus, among the entities that matter, on what vaccination means for travel. This also makes it unlikely that any particular existing system will be converted into the reference for whatever vaccine certification, if any, is used for travel.

glbltvlr

There is no control of who can obtain or fill out entries in the yellow book. Attempting to validate stamps or signatures would not work.
https://bookstore.gpo.gov/products/i...organization-0

PHLGovFlyer

As a data point, I recently received the second shot at a vaccination facility run by a local hospital. When I log into my MyChart account associated with that hospital the records of both of my shots are there under "After Visit Summary". They look like this:

I'd assume that my state's government would accept this as reasonable proof that I've been fully vaccinated.

glbltvlr

The problem is that not everyone is getting the shot from their integrated care system. I had mine at a local pharmacy. They took my insurance card presumably so they would get reimbursed for the labor, but it doesn't show up in my insurance claims. The only reason it shows up in my electronic healthcare record is that I let my doctor's office know I had received it.

My guess is that travel restrictions won't be based on individual status other than validated testing results - not individual vaccine status. At some point when the source and destination country average vaccinated numbers exceed a certain level and assuming a new variant doesn't pop up that drives the spread or infection rates up, countries may relax their entry requirements.

I went ahead and booked a trip to the UK this fall along with non-refundable lodging deposits for 3 weeks. Bit of a bet at this point as I'd put the odds of no quarantine required on entry at no more than 50% right now. Should have a better view by summer. Given Kirby's recent statements on CNBC, I'm thinking fares and availability are going to tighten significantly if they haven't already.

MMProfessor

A few days ago, Iceland announced that fully vaccinated tourists do not have to be tested or quarantined on entry. Seychelles announced a similar guidance in early February.

WineCountryUA

However, USA vax cards are not presently accepted. Needs to be an EU or WHO certified data. This is the basic issue in much of this thread.

NoLaGent

I had my 2nd yesterday and received this email from the California Dept. of Health this am:

scubadu

That strikes me as a really idiotic plan. At least in my state (TX), there are plenty of sites that are providing vaccines directly by the state/county and do not require insurance proof of any kind. My wife and I received our first dose of Pfizer yesterday, no insurance of any kind required. Everything provided by the State of Texas, using paramedics that were "on the clock." There will be hundred of thousands (millions?) of people vaccinated that way.

Regards