UA Temporarily Grounds Boeing 772 (PW Power); returning to service: late May 2022
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While the fares by booking class for lie-flat and non-lie-flat flights/aircraft are identical, the lie-flat flights could have been sold out of lower fare buckets on OP's dates, forcing them to buy a higher fare bucket and thus pay a higher fare; or the OP could have been comparing UA fares to fares on other airlines that serve OGG-SFO using non-lie-flat aircraft (e.g., HA).
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From airliners.net (640 changes AA, 430 DL CHanges)that weekend
OAG Changes 2/16/2021:AA Add PHX-ACV/BZN/CID/IDA,CLTAZS,DFWIDA,LAX-DRO/MSO,MIA-PBM/TLV;NK +CAKMYR;UA Cut HAV,Add HNLSNA
(430 DL changes, 70 AA changes )
OAG Changes 2/23/2021:AA In BOS-CMH/TVC,JFK-BOG/CLO/MDE/SCL/SNA,LGA-MCI/MYR/PNS;SY DFWSNA;UA In DENTWF,IADLWB,Out ORDOGS
(roughly 40 changes for DL & AA)
OAG Changes 3/2/2021:AA+ORD-BIL/FAT/GEG/ONT/SBA; B6+BOI,LGADEN,EWR-ACK/ANU/BQN/MVY/POP/SEA/STT/UVF; DL+CNY/DRO/LNK
This past weekend it was UA's turn for a big set of changes
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That's right. I am Platinum Delta, Platinum American, 1K United. All of them have pros/cons, which is why I use all three. Ditto for hotel chains, car rental companies, credit cards, etc.
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Also, just because you don't see a premium for your search for a different day doesn't mean there wasn't one in my situation. Why reach so much to defend United when you don't know what you're talking about?
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I was surprised to get notification of a schedule change for my 7/8/21 SFO-CDG; all direct flights to Paris for July appear to have been cancelled. Looking into it further, looks like everything flying into FRA is now a 787? And... at least half of the TATLs aren't showing seat maps. Is this all 777 fallout? Lasting all the way into mid-summer?
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I was surprised to get notification of a schedule change for my 7/8/21 SFO-CDG; all direct flights to Paris for July appear to have been cancelled. Looking into it further, looks like everything flying into FRA is now a 787? And... at least half of the TATLs aren't showing seat maps. Is this all 777 fallout? Lasting all the way into mid-summer?
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I get that, but the direct SFO-CDG flights were added back in not that long ago. And again, it's the 777 that's MIA. Here's hoping that things are close enough to normal, tolerable at least, that by July people from the US with proof of vaccination can do at least a bit of travel in Europe!
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It's possible there's been some shifting of aircraft assignments due to the PW issue, but the cancellations (and possibly the downgauges) are undoubtedly due to lack of bookings and anticipated demand. The pattern of cancels 2-3 months out has been the norm since the pandemic started.
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It's possible there's been some shifting of aircraft assignments due to the PW issue, but the cancellations (and possibly the downgauges) are undoubtedly due to lack of bookings and anticipated demand. The pattern of cancels 2-3 months out has been the norm since the pandemic started.
Some of it has been domestic cancellations causing a miss connect and also they canned the IAH->SYD flight which I had originally booked on
RE the PW777, does UA have any 788/789 or other 777 sitting in storage at the moment? if so I would hazzard a guess that if UA actually needed any frames they would pull them out
Otherwise just temp lease some 777 sitting in the desert from any of 20+ other airlines... (I would be amused to fly a united operated QF body)
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... RE the PW777, does UA have any 788/789 or other 777 sitting in storage at the moment? if so I would hazzard a guess that if UA actually needed any frames they would pull them out
Otherwise just temp lease some 777 sitting in the desert from any of 20+ other airlines... (I would be amused to fly a united operated QF body)
Otherwise just temp lease some 777 sitting in the desert from any of 20+ other airlines... (I would be amused to fly a united operated QF body)
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RE the PW777, does UA have any 788/789 or other 777 sitting in storage at the moment? if so I would hazzard a guess that if UA actually needed any frames they would pull them out
Otherwise just temp lease some 777 sitting in the desert from any of 20+ other airlines... (I would be amused to fly a united operated QF body)
Otherwise just temp lease some 777 sitting in the desert from any of 20+ other airlines... (I would be amused to fly a united operated QF body)
No chance on UA operating any other airlines' metal. UA has plenty of lift parked in the desert, and there is a great deal of regulatory work and training that would go into UA operating another carrier's parked airplanes. Conversely, there are scope limitations that essentially preclude other airlines operating mainline-category airplanes for UAL on a wet lease/ACMI basis.
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I suspect that isn't an easy yes/no question. Likely requires a lot of number crunching on the financial cost to bring them out of storage - current aircraft utilization - forecasted travel demand - forecast of when the PW 777's come back into service, etc.
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