UA investigating disclosure of prominent customer's flight info
#16
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It's one thing to look at the upgrade list (which is usually public) and to of course make personal accounts such as the individual is in the gate area/on the plane, it's another to share actual reservation information and I am disgusted regardless of your politics how anyone can be OK with that. Here's hoping UA does a thorough investigation into this.
#17
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at CO there used to be a GG NWP that showed celebrities or other "famous" people who were flying and which flights. I think it was around 2009 when that stopped being updated.
#18
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They could keep the list but switch to using an identifier that's not a truncation of your name. When I was in college in the early 90s, professors would post grades on their office doors, anonymized by...Social Security #! Really. So maybe not that, but a 3-digit "Upgrade/Standby ID" could be displayed on your BP or in the app.
#19
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Anyway, this has not been an issue with United historically and does not really bother me. It better not influence displaying the upgrade list.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Feb 21, 2021 at 12:38 am Reason: per Moderator note, we are just discussing UA, not the passenger
#20
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I think some (most) folks here are overthinking this situation. If someone knows a passengers first/last name, flight number (everyone knew his outbound) and birthday it is quite easy to call ANY airline and indicate you want your PNR as currently not near a computer, or their assistant.
I have done it MANY times when I have codeshare reservations or even 3rd party award bookings (not linked to my Frequent Flyer) and don’t have the PNR log on online or seat assignments. My next comment even simpler but doubtful a CSR would quickly distinguish (legal name) Rafael Edward Cruz on a flight to any Latin America destination is Senator Ted Cruz. His DOB is available on his wiki.
i get there may be politics (diversion of real challenge) involved but UA has no accountability or bad press as there is no investigation necessary here, as no issues.
I think one can walk up to ticket counter and get the same information especially if CANCUN staffs 3rd party personnel who wouldn’t ask for physical ID just verification details - if one claims they are the driver or escort and wish to verify passenger is on the plane. Maybe reporter shouldn’t have said a source in UA as easy enough to do it on his own.
I have done it MANY times when I have codeshare reservations or even 3rd party award bookings (not linked to my Frequent Flyer) and don’t have the PNR log on online or seat assignments. My next comment even simpler but doubtful a CSR would quickly distinguish (legal name) Rafael Edward Cruz on a flight to any Latin America destination is Senator Ted Cruz. His DOB is available on his wiki.
i get there may be politics (diversion of real challenge) involved but UA has no accountability or bad press as there is no investigation necessary here, as no issues.
I think one can walk up to ticket counter and get the same information especially if CANCUN staffs 3rd party personnel who wouldn’t ask for physical ID just verification details - if one claims they are the driver or escort and wish to verify passenger is on the plane. Maybe reporter shouldn’t have said a source in UA as easy enough to do it on his own.
Last edited by RooseveltL; Feb 21, 2021 at 5:55 am
#23
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Given that Cruz's wife had posted plans and itineraries all over social media, not to mention inviting the entire neighborhood to join them in Cancun, the alleged leak would have been completely unnecessary. Everyone already knew what was going on, and when, including changes of plan.
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Given that Cruz's wife had posted plans and itineraries all over social media, not to mention inviting the entire neighborhood to join them in Cancun, the alleged leak would have been completely unnecessary. Everyone already knew what was going on, and when, including changes of plan.
I remember calling UA in the mid 2000s' asking to see if a sibling was on a certain flight since I was going to pick her up and was told that they would not be able to disclose that info.
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Putting aside the issue of the propriety of the travel and one's views of the passenger (all just fine for OMNI/PR), this is about UA abiding by its privacy policy. The issue at hand is the release of the information regarding his originally-scheduled return tomorrow (Sunday) rather than Thursday.
UA will be able to figure out who accessed the PNR and can deal with that accordingly.
UA will be able to figure out who accessed the PNR and can deal with that accordingly.
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When I was a youngster in Virginia in the 70's and 80's your driver license number was your SSN. It changed sometime after I left the state.
#27
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Am I missing something here? Nowhere in the article linked in the OP is there mention of anyone accessing the PNR. There is only mention that he was originally scheduled to return on Sunday. Unless it is stated elsewhere, this could very easily be FT jumping to conclusions and discussing PNR disclosure. This could be simply that the family was overheard by an employee (at check-in, using the lounge, or waiting at the gate) discussing that they were going away and would return on Sunday. No one need to have accessed any records. I often overhear people at the airport discussing how long they would be on vacation.
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The fact that all of this information in this particular case could likely have been obtained from sources other than UA, e.g. smartphone video from gate areas & the wife's chat group, is irrelevant. It is equally irrelevant that it is possible to circumvent the policy through fraud. What is significant is that UA has a published privacy policy and that policy describes how and when UA will disclose the data to others. Shockingly, the disclosure here does not appear to be covered by UA's policy.
The fact that this occurred here is a hit on UA as many people depend on air carriers' discretion for all kinds of reasons and some people don't have a reason beyond being private people.
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ng_information
The fact that this occurred here is a hit on UA as many people depend on air carriers' discretion for all kinds of reasons and some people don't have a reason beyond being private people.
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ng_information
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The fact that all of this information in this particular case could likely have been obtained from sources other than UA, e.g. smartphone video from gate areas & the wife's chat group, is irrelevant. It is equally irrelevant that it is possible to circumvent the policy through fraud. What is significant is that UA has a published privacy policy and that policy describes how and when UA will disclose the data to others. Shockingly, the disclosure here does not appear to be covered by UA's policy.
The fact that this occurred here is a hit on UA as many people depend on air carriers' discretion for all kinds of reasons and some people don't have a reason beyond being private people.
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ng_information
The fact that this occurred here is a hit on UA as many people depend on air carriers' discretion for all kinds of reasons and some people don't have a reason beyond being private people.
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ng_information