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Imoretti Dec 22, 2020 12:45 pm

United 1K return cancelled, booked on American
 
Hello... my wife is a 1K; we booked DCA > IAH > RTB for both of us and our two sons. At check-in, we learned that due to a schedule change for the RTB outbound, we would not arrive IAH in time to connect to DCA so would have to overnight in Houston and continue in the am. As we needed to be in DCA that day and there is no United flight out of RTB on the day before, the agent booked our return on American, RTB > MIA > DCA. On arrival to IAH, en route to RTB, we were notified that my wife had been upgraded to business. However, we did not expect or want this, as we already had three seats with our sons (D-E-F)... my wife was in D and they gave that seat to another passenger (and I was in 12A, full flight). On boarding, the passenger who got my wife’s D seat did not want to give up the seat on a trade, so we had to make a series of trades with other passengers. Fine and good until we get to Roatan and I’m looking at our return flights... now they’ve split the record with me and my sons on one American confirmation/locator number and my wife on the other. I’m seated with my sons, but American wants $37 to seat my wife with us. And, we now have to pay $30 and $40 for checked bags! Not terribly happy, particularly about the bags... does anyone have any advice on how we might proceed? Our return is in about ten days, so we have some time to deal with this. Thank you in advance!

garykung Dec 22, 2020 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by Imoretti (Post 32905374)
Not terrible happy, particularly about the bags... does anyone have any advice on how to proceed?

Pay.

Your wife might be able to ask for reimbursement from UA later. But all charges must be paid to AA.

Imoretti Dec 22, 2020 1:03 pm

Thank you, Gary! We’d be happy to work it this way.

DJ_Iceman Dec 22, 2020 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by Imoretti (Post 32905374)
...as we already had three seats with our sons (D-E-F)... my wife was in D and they gave that seat to another passenger (and I was in 12A, full flight). On boarding, the passenger who got my wife’s D seat did not want to give up the seat on a trade, so we had to make a series of trades with other passengers.

First of all, I'm sorry for the extra hassle when traveling during what is already a stressful time. But I have to ask--wouldn't the simplest trade have been for your wife to give her business class seat to the passenger who ended up in the D seat? Unless that's what you mean by saying they didn't want to give up the seat on a trade (but that would be a very unusual refusal indeed)?

garykung Dec 22, 2020 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman (Post 32905455)
But I have to ask--wouldn't the simplest trade have been for your wife to give her business class seat to the passenger who ended up in the D seat?

Because you can't trade a CPU seat. That's why.

Imoretti Dec 22, 2020 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman (Post 32905455)
First of all, I'm sorry for the extra hassle when traveling during what is already a stressful time. But I have to ask--wouldn't the simplest trade have been for your wife to give her business class seat to the passenger who ended up in the D seat? Unless that's what you mean by saying they didn't want to give up the seat on a trade (but that would be a very unusual refusal indeed)?

That does seem to be a reasonable consideration, I suppose. However, while we were put off by the passenger’s attitude, nothing was to be gained at that point other than rewarding her for poor social behavior. We were on a tight connection with a literal stack of covid + pre-check documents to be verified at a very chaotic gate, so we only had an opportunity to propose a seat trade after boarding. That said, our concern here is the split reservation for seating and the baggage fees, neither of which would have been resolved by giving away our (my!) business seat.

Thank you for the clarification, Gary. :)

jsloan Dec 22, 2020 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32905478)
Because you can't trade a CPU seat. That's why.

Of course you can. I've done it plenty of times.

garykung Dec 22, 2020 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 32905493)
Of course you can. I've done it plenty of times.

No offense - Just because you have done that many times, it does not mean it is allowed.

In fact, I was once stopped from trading a CPU seat. However, it was eventually allowed as the person was my companion and next in line for CPU.

jsloan Dec 22, 2020 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32905516)
No offense - Just because you have done that many times, it does not mean it is allowed.

In fact, I was once stopped from trading a CPU seat. However, it was eventually allowed as the person was my companion and next in line for CPU.

I hear what you're saying, and I've tried to get it solved at the gate in order to give the opportunity to the next person in line, but I'm not about to take an unwanted upgrade because UA's systems can't handle all-or-nothing upgrades at the gate. :) The simplest solution, when it can't be solved at the gate, is to give the upgraded seat to the person in the seat I want. The person on the top of the upgrade list might not like it, but their situation is no worse off than if I'd stayed in my assigned seat.

Kacee Dec 22, 2020 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32905478)
Because you can't trade a CPU seat. That's why.

I've done it in both directions.

dcpdxtrans Dec 22, 2020 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman (Post 32905455)
First of all, I'm sorry for the extra hassle when traveling during what is already a stressful time. But I have to ask--wouldn't the simplest trade have been for your wife to give her business class seat to the passenger who ended up in the D seat? Unless that's what you mean by saying they didn't want to give up the seat on a trade (but that would be a very unusual refusal indeed)?

Not true. I once had to ask three different people on a flight so that I could sit with my family. I still remember that flight to this day bc I was shocked I was refused twice. I also remember bc the woman who eventually said yes was sitting in a middle E+ seat and she too was reticent. Of course,now, these are different times...

raehl311 Dec 22, 2020 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32905516)
No offense - Just because you have done that many times, it does not mean it is allowed.

In fact, I was once stopped from trading a CPU seat. However, it was eventually allowed as the person was my companion and next in line for CPU.

I've semi-frequently traded CPUs with other people I knew on the flight. I've never had any issues with it. I suppose maybe that's a little different than upgrading a rando. But I can't see any circumstance where an FA is going to object to you trading your CPU to your spouse.

cfischer Dec 22, 2020 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32905426)
Pay.

Your wife might be able to ask for reimbursement from UA later. But all charges must be paid to AA.

it's really not UA's fault though. The OP should have not let the UG request go through which split the PNR and caused the issue on the AA side of the equation.

garykung Dec 22, 2020 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 32905941)
I've done it in both directions.


Originally Posted by raehl311 (Post 32906014)
I've semi-frequently traded CPUs with other people I knew on the flight. I've never had any issues with it. I suppose maybe that's a little different than upgrading a rando. But I can't see any circumstance where an FA is going to object to you trading your CPU to your spouse.

We can all agree to disagree. Bottom line - I stand correct that just because no one stops it, it does not mean the practice comforts M+ T&Cs regarding CPUs. And this is not even the main issue of the thread.


Originally Posted by cfischer (Post 32906068)
it's really not UA's fault though. The OP should have not let the UG request go through which split the PNR and caused the issue on the AA side of the equation.

The split PNR is not really the issue, but UA rebooked OP's family to AA. I never said OP's wife would succeed in getting reimbursement. But instead, the fees are AA's issue, not UA. So unless OP has his own ways to waive the fees (status and/or credit card), OP must still pay the fees.

OP's wife, as a 1K, might have luck convincing an ETC or reimbursement. Hence, what I have said.

cfischer Dec 22, 2020 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 32906084)
The split PNR is not really the issue, but UA rebooked OP's family to AA. I never said OP's wife would succeed in getting reimbursement. But instead, the fees are AA's issue, not UA. So unless OP has his own ways to waive the fees (status and/or credit card), OP must still pay the fees.

:confused: of course the split PNR is the issue


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