Southwest starting IAH/ORD
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NTTB
Programs: UA Plat, Marriott Plat
Posts: 4,649
Southwest starting IAH/ORD
That's a shot across the bow!
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/12/sout...d-chicago.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/12/sout...d-chicago.html
Southwest Airlines is pushing into United Airlines’ territory.
Dallas-based Southwest on Monday said it plans to add service at Houston’s George Bush Intercontinental Airport and Chicago O’Hare next year, two United hubs and the cities’ larger airports. It marks a strategy shift for the low-cost carrier that has relied mainly on secondary airports in some of the largest U.S. cities. Its operations in those cities are still centered on Houston’s Hobby Airport and Chicago’s Midway International Airport.
Dallas-based Southwest on Monday said it plans to add service at Houston’s George Bush Intercontinental Airport and Chicago O’Hare next year, two United hubs and the cities’ larger airports. It marks a strategy shift for the low-cost carrier that has relied mainly on secondary airports in some of the largest U.S. cities. Its operations in those cities are still centered on Houston’s Hobby Airport and Chicago’s Midway International Airport.
#2
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: ORD / MDW / FLL
Programs: DL DM/1MM, AA EXP, SPG Platinum, Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 2,295
I'm interested to learn where and how many gates WN will get at ORD. UA and AA have been pushing the smaller carriers out of T1, T2 and T3 to the extent that they can. DL is moving to T5 once the 10-gate addition being built if complete.
That aside, I see this as a win-win for pax. It's a win for the leisure travels who like WN and it's a win for folks like me who avoid WN because there are so many leisure travelers. My guess is the service will be to major cities from these primary airports / tourists destinations as opposed to secondary cities.
That aside, I see this as a win-win for pax. It's a win for the leisure travels who like WN and it's a win for folks like me who avoid WN because there are so many leisure travelers. My guess is the service will be to major cities from these primary airports / tourists destinations as opposed to secondary cities.
#4
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: LAX/TPE
Programs: United 1K, JAL Sapphire, SPG Lifetime Platinum, National Executive Elite, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 42,201
Seems to me they smell blood in the water and it's time to start poaching key UA routes.
#5
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Aug 2003
Programs: UA 1K 1MM (finally!), IHG AMB-Spire, HH Diamond
Posts: 60,174
It can only help lower prices I pay to fly UA. Whenever I fly again I should say.
WN is a great asset to consumers, even if you never step foot on their plane.
WN is a great asset to consumers, even if you never step foot on their plane.
#6
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,405
This smacks of desperation by WN more than anything else. They're going to torpedo their business strategy in order to... what, exactly?
Eh, 20 years ago, yes. These days, I don't think it makes much difference. WN hasn't offered significantly lower fares than their competition in a long time.
#7
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 15,020
Yup - prices plummeted IAH-DEN on CO when WN started HOU-DEN non-stops. It'll be interesting to see frequency. I can't imagine WN staffing/operating two new stations w/ only a flight a day (and with no connecting services at either end). Maybe almost a shuttle route? Not sure there's much demand for that...
#8
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: DREAD Gold; UA 1.035MM; Bonvoy Au-197; PCC Elite+; CCC Elite+; MSC C-12; CWC Au-197; WoH Dis
Posts: 52,140
#9
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: LAX/TPE
Programs: United 1K, JAL Sapphire, SPG Lifetime Platinum, National Executive Elite, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 42,201
On the assumption that people fly UA due to the splendor of IAH or ORD? Is Southwest going to start flying to Tokyo or Shanghai?
This smacks of desperation by WN more than anything else. They're going to torpedo their business strategy in order to... what, exactly?
Eh, 20 years ago, yes. These days, I don't think it makes much difference. WN hasn't offered significantly lower fares than their competition in a long time.
This smacks of desperation by WN more than anything else. They're going to torpedo their business strategy in order to... what, exactly?
Eh, 20 years ago, yes. These days, I don't think it makes much difference. WN hasn't offered significantly lower fares than their competition in a long time.
#10
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: DREAD Gold; UA 1.035MM; Bonvoy Au-197; PCC Elite+; CCC Elite+; MSC C-12; CWC Au-197; WoH Dis
Posts: 52,140
And saying "ignore MP" is like saying "ignore the food" when you pick a restaurant.
#11
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Tx
Programs: AA, UA, WN
Posts: 812
I recall UA pissed about international flights from Hobby or United would axe CDG; unrelated sure but still a childish stance on how UA views competition. So why the hate on this new service from this board??? I welcome the competition and it's not like WN won't have competition from the other LCCs.
#12
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Programs: UA 1K, AA Lifetime Platinum, DL Platinum, Honors Diamond, Bonvoy Titanium, Hertz Platinum
Posts: 7,969
At least initially, it's likely that the aircraft serving IAH-ORD will be dedicated to that route, considering that that route is WN's only one from each of those airports (that is, unless ferry flights are made a regular part of the schedule). That, combined with there being no connecting passengers, makes delays much less of an issue.
#13
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IAH/EWR-LGA/MIA
Programs: UA Global Services 3.2 MM, Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium Elite, AA Exec Plat
Posts: 2,505
That's a pretty thin article. There's a not even a link to a SW press release or any other source. Some details would be nice. Until then, pretty meaningless "announcement".
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 15,020
I don't think WN is low-price (although free bags can be impactful for some travelers), but it can bring down prices to "normal" from "usurious" between airports/cities with previously limited competition.
#15
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: BA/AA/AS/B6/WN/ UA/HH/MR and more like 'em but most felicitously & importantly MUCCI
Posts: 19,719
Not for most people. Most people earn so few miles on revenue-based tickets, and will never make PQD thresholds, MP and other FF programs are superfluous. The food is the well-priced seat flying a reliable airline. The FF program is the cheap peppermint the restaurant brings you with the check, that most people throw on the floor.