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DELee Jul 5, 2020 9:52 pm

Looking back - UA's service to Hawaii in the 1970's
 
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg

Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL.

Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future...

David

ctownflyer Jul 5, 2020 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by DELee (Post 32510772)
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/26415986889/

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg

Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL.

Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future...

David

Is this for real? CLE-HNL nonstop was a thing?
What equipment and frequency?

bhunt Jul 6, 2020 3:50 am

Wonder if it was seasonal 1x a week type routes? Hard to believe Kansas City could support a daily non-stop.

But with airline regulations back then could these be mail subsided routes?

LondonElite Jul 6, 2020 3:54 am

Buffalo? I never would have guessed.

artvandalay Jul 6, 2020 8:02 am


Originally Posted by DELee (Post 32510772)
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/26415986889/

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg

Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL.

Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future...

David

As always, thanks for sharing timeless UA memorabilia like this.
It was common airline practice at that time to list/display routes that were authorized but not necessarily operated. UA purchased long range DC-8s, actually DC-8--62, to operate routes like BWI-HNL.

BearX220 Jul 6, 2020 8:03 am


Originally Posted by ctownflyer (Post 32510836)
Is this for real? CLE-HNL nonstop was a thing?
What equipment and frequency?

DC-8s most likely, with DC-10s taking over at the larger stations as they rolled off the assembly line.

People forget how integral Hawaii was to the pre-deregulation, all-domestic United brand identity. Hawaii was what the leisure market mostly knew them for.

ctownflyer Jul 6, 2020 8:26 am


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 32511534)
DC-8s most likely, with DC-10s taking over at the larger stations as they rolled off the assembly line.

People forget how integral Hawaii was to the pre-deregulation, all-domestic United brand identity. Hawaii was what the leisure market mostly knew them for.

Color me skeptical that BUF/CLE/MCI/PIT-HNL nonstop ever existed.
Is there a timetable that shows any of this?

wpcoe Jul 6, 2020 8:51 am

I was already an airline nerd by 1970 and lived in CLE, and cannot recall any scheduled non-stops CLE-HNL. One-stop direct service (through flights with same flight number) via ORD, LAX and SFO: yes, but non-stop: no.

ctownflyer Jul 6, 2020 8:53 am


Originally Posted by 1984SW (Post 32511660)
I was already an airline nerd by 1970 and lived in CLE, and cannot recall any scheduled non-stops CLE-HNL. One-stop direct service (through flights with same flight number) via ORD, LAX and SFO: yes, but non-stop: no.

Now this makes more sense. But odd that the map says nonstop routes.

rove312 Jul 6, 2020 8:54 am

MCI would have been MKC at that time. At departedflights.com I find a 1972 timetable; from HNL I only find LAX, SFO, ORD, JFK.

SPN Lifer Jul 6, 2020 9:40 am

Back then there was a lot of marketing confusion among consumers, perhaps intentional, between "direct" and "nonstop".

Hawaii was promoted in advertising literature as "Our little corner of the world."

xliioper Jul 6, 2020 9:55 am

1969 timetable shows DTW and CLE as direct via LAX - - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...69/ua69-02.jpg

trk1 Jul 6, 2020 10:19 am

Dc-8-62
 
The United Dc-8-62 was used for the following longer non-stops: JFK,BWI,DTW,ORD to HNL
all other routes on the map were direct not non-stop

from Cleveland United has had direct but non stop service as follows:
CLE/SFO/ITO. Dc-8-62
CLE/ORD/HNL. 747-100
CLE/LAX/HNL. Dc-8-71, DC8-6,. DC-8-50

IAH-OIL-TRASH Jul 6, 2020 11:30 am

Going a little further back, here's my mom as a kid standing at bottom of stairs getting ready to board UA's current inter-island partner (now Hawaiian Airlines).
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3ac9bbed6e.jpg
For the geeks, I looked it up and it seems to be a Sikorsky S-38s or S-43S (probably the former as the one below is a S-43s and the windows look arranged differently). Timeframe would have been late 30s considering my mom's age at that time. Both were in service for Inter-Island at the time.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...86147defbd.jpg

physioprof Jul 6, 2020 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 32512019)
Going a little further back, here's my mom as a kid standing at bottom of stairs getting ready to board UA's current inter-island partner (now Hawaiian Airlines).
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3ac9bbed6e.jpg

Such an awsome photo!!! Thanks for posting it!!


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