Looking back - UA's service to Hawaii in the 1970's
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL. Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future... David |
Originally Posted by DELee
(Post 32510772)
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/26415986889/ https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL. Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future... David What equipment and frequency? |
Wonder if it was seasonal 1x a week type routes? Hard to believe Kansas City could support a daily non-stop.
But with airline regulations back then could these be mail subsided routes? |
Buffalo? I never would have guessed.
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Originally Posted by DELee
(Post 32510772)
Well, just to tease UA mainlanders from certain cities, FWIW, here's a crop of map of the airports that pmUA flew _non-stop_ to HI back in May 1970 (courtesy of erussell1984/airbus777 on Flickr):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/26415986889/ https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...885e7cb5af.jpg Note that this is _prior_ to delivery of UA's 747s. I get LAX, SFO, SAN as well as ORD, WAS and NYC - but this map shows DTT, KCI/MCI, BUF, CLE, PIT, BOS, PHL. Let's see if UA opens up some of these routes non-stop back to the islands in the future... David It was common airline practice at that time to list/display routes that were authorized but not necessarily operated. UA purchased long range DC-8s, actually DC-8--62, to operate routes like BWI-HNL. |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 32510836)
Is this for real? CLE-HNL nonstop was a thing?
What equipment and frequency? People forget how integral Hawaii was to the pre-deregulation, all-domestic United brand identity. Hawaii was what the leisure market mostly knew them for. |
Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 32511534)
DC-8s most likely, with DC-10s taking over at the larger stations as they rolled off the assembly line.
People forget how integral Hawaii was to the pre-deregulation, all-domestic United brand identity. Hawaii was what the leisure market mostly knew them for. Is there a timetable that shows any of this? |
I was already an airline nerd by 1970 and lived in CLE, and cannot recall any scheduled non-stops CLE-HNL. One-stop direct service (through flights with same flight number) via ORD, LAX and SFO: yes, but non-stop: no.
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Originally Posted by 1984SW
(Post 32511660)
I was already an airline nerd by 1970 and lived in CLE, and cannot recall any scheduled non-stops CLE-HNL. One-stop direct service (through flights with same flight number) via ORD, LAX and SFO: yes, but non-stop: no.
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MCI would have been MKC at that time. At departedflights.com I find a 1972 timetable; from HNL I only find LAX, SFO, ORD, JFK.
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Back then there was a lot of marketing confusion among consumers, perhaps intentional, between "direct" and "nonstop".
Hawaii was promoted in advertising literature as "Our little corner of the world." |
1969 timetable shows DTW and CLE as direct via LAX - - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...69/ua69-02.jpg
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Dc-8-62
The United Dc-8-62 was used for the following longer non-stops: JFK,BWI,DTW,ORD to HNL
all other routes on the map were direct not non-stop from Cleveland United has had direct but non stop service as follows: CLE/SFO/ITO. Dc-8-62 CLE/ORD/HNL. 747-100 CLE/LAX/HNL. Dc-8-71, DC8-6,. DC-8-50 |
Going a little further back, here's my mom as a kid standing at bottom of stairs getting ready to board UA's current inter-island partner (now Hawaiian Airlines).
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3ac9bbed6e.jpg For the geeks, I looked it up and it seems to be a Sikorsky S-38s or S-43S (probably the former as the one below is a S-43s and the windows look arranged differently). Timeframe would have been late 30s considering my mom's age at that time. Both were in service for Inter-Island at the time. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...86147defbd.jpg |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 32512019)
Going a little further back, here's my mom as a kid standing at bottom of stairs getting ready to board UA's current inter-island partner (now Hawaiian Airlines).
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3ac9bbed6e.jpg |
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