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Old Sep 15, 2022, 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
If they take $5,000 from you for a product that they are unable to offer, this constitutes a "money grab".
Not quite 'unable to offer' - but more specifically 'never had any intention of offering' - which is not so much a money grab, but consumer fraud.
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Old Sep 15, 2022, 6:12 pm
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Not quite 'unable to offer' - but more specifically 'never had any intention of offering' - which is not so much a money grab, but consumer fraud.
Exactly.

BTW if you buy a few tickets that you never had intention to fly, then UA could take actions against you (such as cancel your MP account, according to some FTers).
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Old Sep 15, 2022, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Exactly.

BTW if you buy a few tickets that you never had intention to fly, then UA could take actions against you (such as cancel your MP account, according to some FTers).
"UA was not authorized to operate this flight" is a pretty strong counterargument.
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Old Sep 15, 2022, 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
OK let me clarify: 857/858 are definitely not canceled.

If you booked LAX/EWR/ORD-PVG for Dec. then these flights were "ghost" flights that never meant to actually operate. It's just a money grab tactic by the airline.

Then you re-book.....
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Not really.

UA just zeroed out the inventory for Dec. flights between PVG and SFO to fix the bug that released insanely cheap fares last night.

These flights will be back for sale in a day or two.
So perhaps it makes more sense to wait until PVG-SFO goes back on sale before I contact them. If I can't do PVG-LAX, I'd rather them open up award space on PVG-SFO-LAX for me.
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Old Sep 15, 2022, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
"UA was not authorized to operate this flight" is a pretty strong counterargument.
Then the flights should be sold with a disclaimer "subject to government approval" and a full refund should be the default result of the failure to operate the flight.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
"UA was not authorized to operate this flight" is a pretty strong counterargument.
Not a very strong argument when they are selling tickets in 2022 for flights they haven't been authorized to fly since 2020. Boca is right, nothing but fraud on UA's part at this point. A shameless moneygrab.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 2:19 am
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Not a very strong argument when they are selling tickets in 2022 for flights they haven't been authorized to fly since 2020. Boca is right, nothing but fraud on UA's part at this point. A shameless moneygrab.
We're talking about the company that managed to convince us that Newark is New York.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Then the flights should be sold with a disclaimer "subject to government approval" and a full refund should be the default result of the failure to operate the flight.
But UA simply cancels the reservation and gives you credit for future travel.

You have to call and argue to get a refund.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
We're talking about the company that managed to convince us that Newark is New York.
In China, Shanghai, in particular, their airport naming is more precise (Shanghai Pudong and Shanghai Hongqiao). They do not name Nanjing (in Jiangsu Province) airport as Shanghai Nanjing. Newark is certainly not in New York state, but close to NYC. So, I give United a slight benefit of doubt on the naming of NY/Newark To be consistent, they should have NYC-JFK, NYC-LGA, NYC-EWR, NYC-Long Island, etc..
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 7:19 am
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In China, Shanghai, in particular, their airport naming is more precise (Shanghai Pudong and Shanghai Hongqiao). They do not name Nanjing (in Jiangsu Province) airport as Shanghai Nanjing. Newark is certainly not in New York state, but close to NYC. So, I give United a slight benefit of doubt on the naming of NY/Newark To be consistent, they should have NYC-JFK, NYC-LGA, NYC-EWR, NYC-Long Island, etc..
PEK, SHA , and BOS are metro codes and also airport codes.
PKX and PVG are airport codes only.
WAS, NYC, QLA, and QSF are metro codes only.

The Chinese didn't create this system.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
PEK, SHA , and BOS are metro codes and also airport codes.
PKX and PVG are airport codes only.
WAS, NYC, QLA, and QSF are metro codes only.

The Chinese didn't create this system.
So, if search for flights to NYC, it does include EWR. It is okay to name EWR as New York/Newark.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by Kmxu
So, if search for flights to NYC, it does include EWR. It is okay to name EWR as New York/Newark.
Why wouldn't it be ok? In any case, the airports that are actually in NYC are described differently by UA. EWR is New York/Newark, but JFK and LGA and New York-JFK and New York-LGA, with a - instead of a /.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by kb1992
But UA simply cancels the reservation and gives you credit for future travel.

You have to call and argue to get a refund.
That’s the fraud part. A refund to the original form of payment should be automatic
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Another clarification: UA only runs 857 four days a week. So it's possible that you bought a Tuesday ticket SFO-PVG that ended up being canceled.



They sell lots of tickets on flights that never would run. In this case, CAAC has limited UA's service to China to only 4 weekly flights.

UA knew this, yet they still put 28 weekly flights to China in their schedule. They pocket the money, and cancel the flights. They give you credits for future travel and hope you don't ask a refund.

AA/DL do this too.
AA and DL are only selling flights that are actually operating. So it's only UA that's selling flights that hasn't operated for 2+ years.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by m.y
AA and DL are only selling flights that are actually operating. So it's only UA that's selling flights that hasn't operated for 2+ years.
Not really.

DL is selling DTW-PVG for July. Every day. See the screen shot.

No way DL is going to operate that route 7 days a week.

DL is as guilty as UA, money-grab wise.




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