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NRT, HKG and FRA FA Bases Closing (Oct 2020), re-assignment issues

NRT, HKG and FRA FA Bases Closing (Oct 2020), re-assignment issues

Old Sep 22, 2020, 8:22 pm
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nothing showing on https://unitedafa.org/news/
except a few weeks ago, https://unitedafa.org/news/2020/9/09...ra-hkg-and-nrt
We expect a ruling from the arbitrator mid-September
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Old Sep 23, 2020, 7:37 am
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I had heard that it was by the 15th which has been and gone
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Old Sep 23, 2020, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by wanderingkev
I had heard that it was by the 15th which has been and gone
I've only heard "mid-September," which includes the 15th, but also other dates. But yes, with October starting a week from tomorrow, we are now past "mid-September" by most definitions.

Either the arbitrator still hasn't decided, or UA and AFA are sitting on the decision.
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Old Sep 23, 2020, 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Bear96
I've only heard "mid-September," which includes the 15th, but also other dates. But yes, with October starting a week from tomorrow, we are now past "mid-September" by most definitions.

Either the arbitrator still hasn't decided, or UA and AFA are sitting on the decision.
I had heard from someone who would be impacted that the final meeting was the 10th with a ruling no later than the 15th I suspect the decision is made and being sat on for some reason, Government support ,local or international ? ,
If the AFA has won it's case there is some serious re organizing to do
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Old Sep 23, 2020, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by wanderingkev
I had heard from someone who would be impacted that the final meeting was the 10th with a ruling no later than the 15th I suspect the decision is made and being sat on for some reason, Government support ,local or international ? ,
If the AFA has won it's case there is some serious re organizing to do
Strange... A friend of mine is a NRT base crew, and she just told me that she hasn't heard anything yet as of today...
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Old Sep 24, 2020, 7:39 am
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Strange... A friend of mine is a NRT base crew, and she just told me that she hasn't heard anything yet as of today...
I think that is point under discussion ,if the ruling has be made why the the delay in comms ,I have good friend in FRA in the same situation.It is not helping with peoples nerves
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Old Sep 24, 2020, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by wanderingkev
I think that is point under discussion ,if the ruling has be made why the the delay in comms ...
Both are pure speculation.

It is not uncommon for arbitrations to miss the initial deadline. Time will reveal the real situation. The AFA site is likely to be the first public notification
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Old Sep 24, 2020, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Both are pure speculation.

It is not uncommon for arbitrations to miss the initial deadline. Time will reveal the real situation. The AFA site is likely to be the first public notification
I am not speculating anything , beyond the result may or may not have been reached and the waiting for people at UA is stressful, which is not speculation at alI .
I also have enough experience in arbitration and national level union negotiations to know that arbitration decision dates once agreed are not very elastic.

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Old Sep 24, 2020, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by wanderingkev
I am not speculating anything , ...
hmmm
Originally Posted by wanderingkev
...I suspect the decision is made and being sat on for some reason, Government support ,local or international ? , ...
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Old Sep 26, 2020, 1:44 am
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https://unitedafa.org/news/2020/9/25...tember-25-2020
Arbitrator Renders Decision in MEC 6-20 – International Base Closures

We have received a verbal award in MEC 6-20. The Union did not prevail in this case.

The Question at Issue was:

“Did the Company violate the Contract based on their intent to close the Frankfurt (FRA), Tokyo (NRT) and Hong Kong (HKG) International Bases effective October 1, 2020, and not transfer Flight Attendants that are not eligible to work in the United States to a location where they can work, specifically the London (LHR) Base pursuant to Section 17 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.”
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Old Oct 5, 2020, 3:02 am
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Their employment was extended until 10/30...and if the CARES ACT extension is approved, their employment will be extended until the end of March next year.
Also, they (FRA, HKG, NRT base crews) are preparing to sue the company... That's what I heard.
Things are getting ugly...
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Old Oct 5, 2020, 5:53 am
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Originally Posted by MrJBoy
Their employment was extended until 10/30...and if the CARES ACT extension is approved, their employment will be extended until the end of March next year.
Also, they (FRA, HKG, NRT base crews) are preparing to sue the company... That's what I heard.
Things are getting ugly...
That's interesting. How would the CARES act apply to non-Americans not living in the United States?
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Old Oct 5, 2020, 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by MrJBoy
Their employment was extended until 10/30...and if the CARES ACT extension is approved, their employment will be extended until the end of March next year.
Source?
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Old Oct 5, 2020, 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio
That's interesting. How would the CARES act apply to non-Americans not living in the United States?
Yeah, it's interesting. Those foreign base crews are in a unique position. They are NOT hired locally, so they are part of the payroll just like other US base crews.
I know they get paid in US$ in the US even they live in foreign countries. They pay US taxes and social security etc. I don't know the details, but they are treated just like other US base crews.
I don't think they have to be Americans or living in the US.
Somebody know more about it...
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Originally Posted by wpcoe
Source?
Source? A friend of mine is one of the foreign base crews and he just told me what the situations are now...
I don't think I want to introduce my friend to you, LOL
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